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6 Tables Mid Stakes 6-max NL (part 3)

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Adrian Milroy

POSTED Apr 07, 2013

Adrian discusses the difficulty of playing against an unpolarized range, and how it can cause you to miss an opportunity to turn a mid strength made hand into a bluff.

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Juan Copani 11 years, 11 months ago
A7o hand HU. You are playing HU against one of the most decens players of that stake. Aren´t you worry to be too much explotable to bet ATC in the river if your are folding an A ? I assume that you are calling turn with 87 97 T7 TJ TQ 8J 8Q 7J (hands that you will have to fold against a river bet). I understand that this is not a problem when people is not exploiting us, but this is the kind of player that could do it.

Would you include any weak combo to x/jam as a bluff in this spot ?
Adrian Milroy 11 years, 11 months ago
In analyzing this hand, there are many factors to take into consideration.
1.
On an 89T flop, even tho its rainbow, that's an action board. As a result, I don't expect him cbet pure air. The airy hands would be JX, some 7X and QX, and AK perhaps.
2.
When an A hits the turn, its a very good barrel card for our opponent as the A doesn't really connect with this board. That is the real beauty of our flop C/C with A7 there. So this is pretty standard call for us and I'd assume that our opponent will keep betting with the entire range that he cbet with on the flop. One thing to note, which is contrary to what I preached in the video, is that the turn barrel is rather large for him. Considering that we rarely have an A or better in our range here, I feel like that would make me think his line is slightly more bluffy.
3.
A 3 hits the river, a nothing card really and all draws missed, including our idiot-end straight draw. At this point, all of his big 9X, and Tx will check down and stop going for value. He is repping AJ+ here, putting us in a clear hero-call/bluffcatcher scenario. Once our opponent bets over 80% pot, my first instinct is that he is looking for big value. But since we really shouldn't have an A in our range, and its usually going to be hard for us to call big bets in this spot, and he knows that, perhaps he's trying to ensure we fold something like JT/J9 and thus makes a big bet to scare us off a crying call. Thinking about it now, I think calling is much closer to folding than I advocated in the video, solely based on the fact that our opponent knows its going to be hard for us to call further large bets when the A pops off on the turn.

In terms of being exploited: I feel that you can't be perfectly balanced in every spot and sometimes due to bad board runouts and being OOP, you and your entire range are at a severe disadvantage. In these spots, the decisions we have to make are very difficult, but that's ok as long as we try to limit these spots to a minimum...I feel its impossible to completely eradicate them. Even tho we are in a HU environment, I think C/Ring and getting in 89 and even 8T might be a bit of an overplay on this flop board. In saying that, we might not want to C/C those twice, but C/C and then lead out the turn instead. But for balance, and to avoid being exploited, we can have A8/A9/AT here, and 89/8T, and every once in a while, J7/QJ that are slowplayed monsters, (I think we have to raise 76 for value at some point on the flop or turn). Our A7 falls right in the middle of our range here (with AJ, or AQ if you don't 3bet that pre), the bottom of our range is going to be 9X/TX with some sort of straight draw, and the high end I just referred to is going to be 2pr+. If I had known my opponent to be triple barrel happy, I would've made this call. But, since my opponent clearly has respect for my game, knows that I'm very capable of slowplaying big hands, having him valuetown himself, and not believing standard bluff cards, I chose a fold. There was also a hand between us (top left table, full table, think it was last video) where I had QJss and he had AQdd and I C/C twice on QcTs9h, and As turn, and he chkd down on like a 6o river... This hand tells me that he has a fear of getting out of line, or going to value against me in these connected wet boards when a bluff card that doesn't connect with the board pops off on the turn.

When you talk about X/jam? Do you mean on the river? If so, I'd obv do it with J7/QJ for value, but a raise, not jamming. And I guess J8/J9 as a bluff, but I probably would make a raise instead of jamming (we are deeper than 100BB), but I don't like it that much as our goal is really to make our opponent fold 2pr (and we could easily be C/Ring into the nuts) and that doesn't always happen...
GitterrDone 11 years, 11 months ago
The 87s hand where you shove the river over his 1/2p bet. I would almost always shove this as with the action it will be so rare that we are beat as you had mentioned. I agree that you won't get called much but if you're not jamming here it will be harder to rep stuff in the future imo. I'm curious what you would do with a hand like 98 or 99/TT assuming you didn't 4b them PF, with his line looks so much like a thinish value bet unless he's trying to level you you're pretty rarely good. Against his line I think jamming with hands like that would be nice to be able do and not jamming 87s which so near the top of your range for your line will make it hard to balance. Actually the way the hand played even if he had made a bigger bet around $200 as you had mentioned I'd still kind of want to jam.

Curious on your thoughts as I am definitely prone to value own myself in some spots.
Adrian Milroy 11 years, 11 months ago
So I see this as a spot where we have the best hand 90% of the time, but don't get called very often when we ship over his river bet. In terms of value, I really think the 87s is a borderline hand for jamming because other than our opponent holding 67s\68s, every other 2pr + hand (rare as they are) snaps us and we lose. I just feel that we are going to get called by better about as often as he hero calls AJ/AT type hands. So I think it's close whether jamming for value will be the best play in the long run.

For 98 and 99/TT here, it appear that we are beat :) Most of the time, we just fold these and move on the next hand, but jamming and turning our hand into a bluff might be a good option against the more straightforward opponents. I wouldn't overdo this play tho.... Against opponents that have tendencies to get tricky, and slow play hands, I feel like its a bit riskier to make this play against them because they have a higher chance or showing up with AA/A8/A6/A2, not to mention that they might be a little stickier and hero call more often with AT. Sometimes you run into opponents that try to take advantage of the fact that both of your ranges are supposed to be pretty face up in this spot. Versus those, you might be able to find a call. In the end, fold > ship > call in general I would say, but our opponent type will usually dictate which play is the best.

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