6 Tables Mid Stakes 6-max NL (part 2)
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min 25 78dd hand; i understand u are barreling turns 9/Q/K/A/diamons
but i dont feel comfortable when turn come 7 or 8, we actually improve our equity, but he is almost never folding turn now, and a good card who gives him the oportunity to bluff us even when we were winning. How do u handle this situations ? Could u give me any advice ? Any explotative line that i could take against a particular opponent (x/r ? ) ?
min 27 J9o hand: whats the reason because u include that hand in your x/r range ? U have in mind that u have to x/r a bunch of air in this board to defend your cold calling range, then u add this kind of hands ?
last 33 hand; what do u think about overbet river ? you actually dont rep anything else than an unlikely 33, and if he is in the flop position : " i dont believe this guy ", probably he ll take the same reason in river, and u get more value. what ur long expierences at this stakes and unortodox lines say about this moves ?
BTW, Lot of action ! Nice video !!!
Even tho 5/7/9 completes some straights that I may have C/Red with, I don't expect my opponent to lay down an 8 to another bet and surely not a K. If we were in a FR or 6max situation, perhaps, but this is HU. You can't expect your opponent to make laydowns of this magnitude. If I wanted to win the pot, I'd have to bet big on the turn AND river, and will probably still get called by KQ+ if a 7/9/4 doesn't hit the river.
78dd hand:
The 7 or 8 turn is a difficult spot. If we examine his range, we are beat by 99+ to JTs that are relatively weak, will call a bet but won't necessarily bet, beat by QJs to AA which will probably bet when checked to, but probably wont stack off, and then 44/55/JJ/45s/67s (assuming an 8 pops off) which is his nut range. What we beat is floats (probably over cards like AQ/QK/ATs/KTs/maybe AK), and weak made hands (A4s/A5s/56s/66/77 and 78s/68s that hit after floating). If we check, and assume his will bet all floats, QJs+ and perhaps the weakest of the made hands, like A4s/A5s we quickly realize the C/Ring doesn't make much sense against this range. What we really want to accomplish here is pick up a dead money bet from floats and the weakest pairs, and try to fold out the medium range of QJs to AA. Even tho we are repping a super strong hand, from my experience, especially if our opponent is holding one of 4 hands: AJ/QQ/KK/AA, they are usually going to call the turn C/R, and then fold to the river ship. But we can't ship the river because its more likely that we're shipping into the nut hands than those 4 hands. Not to mention that we really have only 4 clean outs to stack a monster... For these reasons, I think C/Ring is not a good candidate of these plays.
I think your better off C/Cing, or betting yourself. The stickier your opponent is with pairs and big Ahigh's, bet once more for thin value, the more crafty your opponents that are more likely to float, I would C/C. In both cases, you're usually C/F the river, but sometimes in the C/C line, it could be time for a hero call vs the right opponents. The super nits, just C/F this vs. them. C/Cing has some benefits of giving you a chance to improve, but downsides in giving your opponents and chance to draw out with their overcard floats... You're right to dread these spots, I myself find them difficult. Try to analyze your opponents range in these spots, combine that with their tendencies and your history together, and try to chose the line that makes the most sense. There is no blanket straightforward strategy here.
J9o hand:
I explained in the video that this is a merge C/R range. C/Ring this board looks very airy as a competent opponent will see a lot more combos of air and XXdd, than 22, 55 and maybe J5s. As a result I expect to get called down as light as A high, or floats on his part. If you're playing against a more robotic player, that isn't very sticky, there's no point in raising for value here. In that climate, we would almost be overplaying our hand. This is a HU play for the most part.
33 hand:
This is a spot where an overbet could be a good idea, but as I explained in the video, I didn't want to scare him off the call that I was sure he would make. With no history between us, I feel that if I overbet there, he would probably choose the prudent course of action and fold. With more history, and once opponents catch on to what spots you're likely to bluff, that would be time to throw in the overbet to try to make them think that you know what they have (mostly strong, but capped range because of turn chk back), and that you're trying to blow them off it.
Open limping makes me different, and I am pretty much the only regular that does it in my games. Being different is good, as long as it doesn't hurt your bottom line. I enjoy being creative with the game of poker, figuring out new ways to do things, to confuse my opponents yet still play hands in a way that makes them profitable. Open limping is just one small part of that creativity.
Don't you want to bet in order to shove many rivers as a bluff ? (And realize our equity)
By checking, I'm not planning to C/F, but to C/C. I will definitely realize my equity. By betting, we risk being shoved on and NOT realizing our equity after leaving dead money out there vs. those nuts hands, not to mention we both agree that we have little to no fold equity on this street. If we barrel and get to, let's say a 4 brick river. We can really only reliably hope to fold out AJ/J9/JT/K9/KT, and our opponent will probably snap us with AQ/2prs/straights/slowplayed set, and tank down and still call us a decent % of the time with QJ/QK. I really don't want to be shipping into that range. If the Ah had popped off on the turn, I think barrelling the turn would be best, and then possibly shipping the river as a bluff is the board doesn't change, but the Qh in this spot just smashed his range so hard, I just think that its not a good time to continue betting and run a big bluff.
By taking the C/Cing line. He bets his AQ+ hands, maybe as low as QK, and 78, but ends up checking back AJ/J9/JT/K9/KT and QJ and we get to see a free river and all our outs are clean in the chk back scenario. If we C/C and hit, we are obviously still calling on a 5 river, but every other out should be pure gold. And taking a glance at his turn betting range, its going to be really strong and won't really be phased by a backdoor flush, 2 or 5 on the river. So if we hit, we can check and he can ship his AQ/2pr+ into our nuts :)
hi
nice video
don t you think calling 22 from mp to utg raise and 33 in the sb to co raise is toO lose ?
Thanks!
I think 22 in the MP-UTG situation is borderline but not too loose. 33 in the SB vs. a CO raise is definitely fine as we may be able to win pots without improving by being up against such a wide, weak range. In the UTG-MP situation, we cannot simply set mine here. We have to attack certain flops and float sometimes with those hands. I also feel that since we flatted a UTG raise, we will not get squeezed as lightly, or as often...In both situations, its nice to have pocket pairs that can flop sets and give us close to the nuts on most flops we spike a set on.
For the most part, in both situations these hands are hard to play when we don't flop a set considering that we don't always want to be folding to a cbet. For that reason, I see a lot of regular players 3bet bluffing these small pairs, with the option of shipping over habitual 4bet bluffers and actually being ahead of AK in all in pre pots...
very awesome video!
28hh hand at 35min ish why not 3bet after the flop since he just lost the hand before and might just be making a move there?
thanks
Thx for the praise Taco!
It had never occurred to me to 3bet the flop after I had just C/Red the hand before. I think that would be a great tool to add to my HU game because its more likely that he will continue bluffing on the turn once I call the flop bet, then 4bet bluff the flop and threatening getting stacks in. Smart idea.
However, my opponent really doesn't play with much ego, so I don't expect him to just be "steam-raising", almost ever... We do have middle pair though that has decent bluffcatching equity, and we do have the possibility of making more money (calling down future bluffs) at the downside of getting drawn out on, or possible blown off our hand if cards like a 4, 5, 7, 9, T or A hit. I would say 5, 9, T and A would be the most dangerous for us. Those cards could also, NOT come, and we've probably have to fold to a triple barrel unimproved...
I think our kicker comes in to play a little which may make us want to 3bet flop more than flatting, having an overcard kicker is usually just 3 less outs for our opponent. I think your idea is great, I just know the opponent well and he doesn't make reckless plays, he's very solid and calculated. Our hand is also pretty strong for HU, and for bluffcatching. If we had say, 63s in this spot, vs a more egotistical opponent that has the capability to tilt, or make moves based on game flow, I think your play would be perfect then.
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