10 30 You donk T6 on T9Qccc T trun 30 into 54. Do you think this leading strategy is mandatory for midstakes or higher? Also, how does the fact that the board is super wet change this leading strategy? Most players seem to go 15-25% pot when the middle/bottom card pair.
I guessed 73s! Pretty close!
AA is very interesting. I think betting the turn is good. You have enough draws yourself, and you don't want to give him free equity. I'm check pretty much any river, though. Perhaps betting KK/QQ and checking AA could be a good strategy. Although it may be exploitable, I agree with folding on the turn. You're not crushing his draws, but you're nearly dead against his value range.
"Do you think this leading strategy is mandatory for midstakes or higher?" Why would it be different depending on the stakes? There are certain boards where I think x/c flop lead turn is the best option and stakes are irrelevant. Leading 15-25% pot is becoming the latest fashion but I personally never thought about it much and dont do it so far. Also I think that people who lead for small amounts lead a wide and depolarized range while I tend to bet a smaller and more polarized range for bigger amounts.
good vid rapf...@ 22 w j7d and tons of bd draws why not just start barreling? seems like theres some hands he gives up and theres alot of good runouts for your hand
I could bet or I could take a free card, I do both. Its just that its very easy to start betting close to 100% if anytime we have some overcards or backdoor potential we c-bet the flop. Yes there are some good runouts for my hand but that also means I can continue vs a lead on many turns.
Poker will never die as long as there are people that think poker is all luck. Surprisingly something I still hear all the time (admittedly I play much lower) but I hear it online and live. Thankfully. I always agree with them (unless I am in a very bad mood - need to work on that part of my mentality).
Yes it was! I played this session on march 30th 2014. Poker is not dead yet.
Do you practice any game selection at 2/4 and 3/6 or do you usually just fire up random tables?
I used to make most of my money from game selection but after listening to a lot of high stakes players talk, I'm starting to think it was terrible idea for getting better at poker.
Also, best part of the video: "I do not like...to be overpowered in the spew department...if you want to spew with me...then I will spew with you!"
I dont ever play 24 tables at once so I definitely do at least some rudimentary table selection. If there is a table with 5 good regs and another one with 4 good regs and 1 weak player why would I ever want to sit on the 1st table and not the 2nd one?
Thia 74s hand reminds me of one story a poker friend told a while ago. He taught his parents the basics of the game and played a home game once. After being called on the river by his mom who showed 6 high, he asks why did she call. She snaps: I was bluffing. Probably she deposited $400 on PS and gave it to you.
Really nice analysis on the AA hand and I prefer x/c but you explained very detailed how to approach the situation. Ty
Very nice video, very fun to watch and learn a lot in the same time , perfect really :) keep doing more Raph, for France :p
for the AA hand:
Its common that you hear people say deep stack poker is much more interesting, more edge and blabla and I agree but then that's the kind of shitty spot you get into there, and its really ugly spot !
You end up folding the top of your range which is very annoying but what to do!
I would watch for the opponent's tendencies before betting the turn.
If he's the kind of trying to use deepness to make moves in position, I would bet/call and close my eyes calling the river since thats the top of our range. (But you're right, very often I level myself in this kind of spot end up calling and they show nuts....)
If not then either bet/folding, or even checking turn, sacrifice one street of value/protection for the sake of "protecting my stack" or not getting bluffed.
Im also not sure what is best. If some high stake pro could come up with some CREV on this one, would be awesome :p
Im afraid if we check/call turn, and check river, if we face a big river bet it's still kind of the same story. Maybe this hand shows that it's a very good spot for him to raise A LOT in this spot. hard for us to do something even with AA.
If some people have an answer/ideas on this one, please share it, such an interesting hand!
I used to always stack off in similar situations and lose over and over again. Bet/folding AA there is definitely very exploitable but I think most regs at those stakes wont really take advantage of it. Against more aggressive regs (that opponent could be one of those, I just dont know I have played very little vs him so I treat him as a random 2/4 reg) I would just close my eyes and get it in there, once I bet this turn I think it has to be the "correct" play.
I dont necessarily think its a great spot to raise a lot in his shoes. I've tried many times to rep sets and 2 pairs and bluff off overpairs in similar spots but I lost a lot doing so, people generally just dont fold AA in 3-bet pots.
Very nice video!. I have a question regarding the hand where you river a set with the 77 hand and CO the nut straight, you bet and he just calls (at minute 6). For you it was clear that he should raise, but I might also just call in that spot trying to induce other calls. Given that you checked the flop and the turn, JT and 77 (or 87s and 65s if they are in your pre flop opening range) are the only hands that may take this line and call a raise. On the other hands, are there any other hands you would check the flop and turn and bet the river? Perhaps he could think that you were doing this with weak aces.
Also, it was a 4-way pot. If he raises right after your bet, wouldn't that show too much strength so that you shouldn't be too happy calling with 77?
In my eyes thats a mandatory raise with the nuts here, he wont induce other calls hardly ever by just calling and definitely lose a lot of value vs the bettor, not even close, and it doesnt matter how wide is the bettor value range there. I would be very happy to call a raise vs a weak player with 77 there, even if he makes it quite big I wont ever be folding.
I disagree there, I ve seen weaker players making dumb slowplays with like 2 pairs and then value raise river when the board got worse. And still some low % of the time that will be a bluff. I am definitely never folding a set here.
Very good video sir. My instict on AA hand is to fold turn as well, but during the hand, with limited time to think and few draws out there, I would just shove or maybe call turn and river (unless it is one of the worst cards). Done it many times and very often wrong.
Now, speaking of making bad calls on river, since you mentioned you used to make bad calls, is it possible you can make a video out of clear mistakes on river decision from your database?
Now, your JJ hand earlier vs very bad player with air-calling range (47). Do you ever fold in that spot vs unknown given different action on his part? If he check calls flop and x/r turn? What if he shoves over your flop raise?
I dont think a video on the stupid mistakes I too often make would be instructive at all. When I spew off a stack (be it a bad river call or a very questionnable preflop or flop get in) I usually know it immediately afterwards and even oftentimes while actually doing it. Its just there is a significant difference between knowing what to do and actually doing it while playing, at least in my case, and especially when Ive been playing for a while already.
I am never folding JJ vs an unknown on a 9 hi disconnected board. I probably just call down if he x/c flop and x/minraise turn but am still never folding. There is always a decent chance I'm up against a total drooler.
"I dont necessarily think its a great spot to raise a lot in his shoes. I've tried many times to rep sets and 2 pairs and bluff off overpairs in similar spots but I lost a lot doing so, people generally just dont fold AA in 3-bet pots." yep coz of the multitude of draws on this board, he might even consider that ur not folding AK AQ high there ! I definetely think that he would have JJ TT 55 44 JTs very often.
at 30.30 you call a 3bet from CO vs SB with 76cc then you justify not floating the flop too much of the time because this regular 3bets verry tight overall (6%). To me it s seems like a clear fold preflop unless this guy has big leaks postflop, do you agree in retrospect or do you still think you can show up a profit there ?
For me thats just a very standard call preflop, I dont really care that he only 3-bets 6% overall from a small sample it will just mean that I will play slightly tighter postflop. It's not like floating K94r w76cc is an automatic play vs most opponents either.
The KJdd vs nanonoko on that 3 bet, with tp+fd don't you ever think calling turn again? It's allways a shove to you? It's because you want to shove there all the good draws that you'll play all your range on blank turns either folding or shoving? What do you think about floating turn with made hands and draws, with no push strategy, and then bet vs missed rivers?
No thats def not always a shove, here the plan to shove was more opponent specific and I will play turns more aggressively vs him in general. Still vs other opponents I want to have some turn raising range, I dont think its very good to go only call/fold on both flop and turn and delay agression till the river as you advocate.
What do you think of checking back the turn w/ kjdd vs nanonoko ?
Your hand is well protected with the flush draw and you lose less against his turn c/r range which is often kq+ since you will just lose a bet river. As you said he will 2-barrel pretty light so his check back seems pretty suspicious. Do you think he would call you off w/ like TT+ turn and river shove which is why you decide to bet ?
I think KJdd is just way too strong to ck back, am too far ahead of his range to even consider it and he will call 1 or 2 more bets with plenty worse hands. Also am barely inducing any river bluffs by cking back vs this specific player.
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Hey Rapfael, nice video.
10 30 You donk T6 on T9Qccc T trun 30 into 54.
Do you think this leading strategy is mandatory for midstakes or higher? Also, how does the fact that the board is super wet change this leading strategy? Most players seem to go 15-25% pot when the middle/bottom card pair.
I guessed 73s! Pretty close!
AA is very interesting. I think betting the turn is good. You have enough draws yourself, and you don't want to give him free equity. I'm check pretty much any river, though.
Perhaps betting KK/QQ and checking AA could be a good strategy.
Although it may be exploitable, I agree with folding on the turn. You're not crushing his draws, but you're nearly dead against his value range.
"Do you think this leading strategy is mandatory for midstakes or higher?" Why would it be different depending on the stakes? There are certain boards where I think x/c flop lead turn is the best option and stakes are irrelevant. Leading 15-25% pot is becoming the latest fashion but I personally never thought about it much and dont do it so far. Also I think that people who lead for small amounts lead a wide and depolarized range while I tend to bet a smaller and more polarized range for bigger amounts.
good vid rapf...@ 22 w j7d and tons of bd draws why not just start barreling? seems like theres some hands he gives up and theres alot of good runouts for your hand
I could bet or I could take a free card, I do both. Its just that its very easy to start betting close to 100% if anytime we have some overcards or backdoor potential we c-bet the flop. Yes there are some good runouts for my hand but that also means I can continue vs a lead on many turns.
Please tell me this session was from 2014.
Yes it was! I played this session on march 30th 2014. Poker is not dead yet.
Poker will never die as long as there are people that think poker is all luck. Surprisingly something I still hear all the time (admittedly I play much lower) but I hear it online and live. Thankfully. I always agree with them (unless I am in a very bad mood - need to work on that part of my mentality).
Yes it was! I played this session on march 30th 2014. Poker is not dead yet.
Do you practice any game selection at 2/4 and 3/6 or do you usually just fire up random tables?
I used to make most of my money from game selection but after listening to a lot of high stakes players talk, I'm starting to think it was terrible idea for getting better at poker.
Also, best part of the video: "I do not like...to be overpowered in the spew department...if you want to spew with me...then I will spew with you!"
I dont ever play 24 tables at once so I definitely do at least some rudimentary table selection. If there is a table with 5 good regs and another one with 4 good regs and 1 weak player why would I ever want to sit on the 1st table and not the 2nd one?
Thia 74s hand reminds me of one story a poker friend told a while ago. He taught his parents the basics of the game and played a home game once. After being called on the river by his mom who showed 6 high, he asks why did she call. She snaps: I was bluffing. Probably she deposited $400 on PS and gave it to you.
Really nice analysis on the AA hand and I prefer x/c but you explained very detailed how to approach the situation. Ty
Calling down as a bluff! Well, thats an interesting concept!
Very nice video, very fun to watch and learn a lot in the same time , perfect really :) keep doing more Raph, for France :p
for the AA hand:
Its common that you hear people say deep stack poker is much more interesting, more edge and blabla and I agree but then that's the kind of shitty spot you get into there, and its really ugly spot !
You end up folding the top of your range which is very annoying but what to do!
I would watch for the opponent's tendencies before betting the turn.
If he's the kind of trying to use deepness to make moves in position, I would bet/call and close my eyes calling the river since thats the top of our range. (But you're right, very often I level myself in this kind of spot end up calling and they show nuts....)
If not then either bet/folding, or even checking turn, sacrifice one street of value/protection for the sake of "protecting my stack" or not getting bluffed.
Im also not sure what is best. If some high stake pro could come up with some CREV on this one, would be awesome :p
Im afraid if we check/call turn, and check river, if we face a big river bet it's still kind of the same story. Maybe this hand shows that it's a very good spot for him to raise A LOT in this spot. hard for us to do something even with AA.
If some people have an answer/ideas on this one, please share it, such an interesting hand!
I used to always stack off in similar situations and lose over and over again. Bet/folding AA there is definitely very exploitable but I think most regs at those stakes wont really take advantage of it. Against more aggressive regs (that opponent could be one of those, I just dont know I have played very little vs him so I treat him as a random 2/4 reg) I would just close my eyes and get it in there, once I bet this turn I think it has to be the "correct" play.
I dont necessarily think its a great spot to raise a lot in his shoes. I've tried many times to rep sets and 2 pairs and bluff off overpairs in similar spots but I lost a lot doing so, people generally just dont fold AA in 3-bet pots.
Very nice video!. I have a question regarding the hand where you river a set with the 77 hand and CO the nut straight, you bet and he just calls (at minute 6). For you it was clear that he should raise, but I might also just call in that spot trying to induce other calls. Given that you checked the flop and the turn, JT and 77 (or 87s and 65s if they are in your pre flop opening range) are the only hands that may take this line and call a raise. On the other hands, are there any other hands you would check the flop and turn and bet the river? Perhaps he could think that you were doing this with weak aces.
Also, it was a 4-way pot. If he raises right after your bet, wouldn't that show too much strength so that you shouldn't be too happy calling with 77?
In my eyes thats a mandatory raise with the nuts here, he wont induce other calls hardly ever by just calling and definitely lose a lot of value vs the bettor, not even close, and it doesnt matter how wide is the bettor value range there. I would be very happy to call a raise vs a weak player with 77 there, even if he makes it quite big I wont ever be folding.
Why won't you fold? A river raise in a checked down 4way pot from a fish is never a bluff and he can't really ever overvalue a worse hand.
I disagree there, I ve seen weaker players making dumb slowplays with like 2 pairs and then value raise river when the board got worse. And still some low % of the time that will be a bluff. I am definitely never folding a set here.
Very good video sir. My instict on AA hand is to fold turn as well, but during the hand, with limited time to think and few draws out there, I would just shove or maybe call turn and river (unless it is one of the worst cards). Done it many times and very often wrong.
Now, speaking of making bad calls on river, since you mentioned you used to make bad calls, is it possible you can make a video out of clear mistakes on river decision from your database?
Now, your JJ hand earlier vs very bad player with air-calling range (47). Do you ever fold in that spot vs unknown given different action on his part? If he check calls flop and x/r turn? What if he shoves over your flop raise?
I dont think a video on the stupid mistakes I too often make would be instructive at all. When I spew off a stack (be it a bad river call or a very questionnable preflop or flop get in) I usually know it immediately afterwards and even oftentimes while actually doing it. Its just there is a significant difference between knowing what to do and actually doing it while playing, at least in my case, and especially when Ive been playing for a while already.
I am never folding JJ vs an unknown on a 9 hi disconnected board. I probably just call down if he x/c flop and x/minraise turn but am still never folding. There is always a decent chance I'm up against a total drooler.
ahahahah u made my day with this video man ! Wich nationality are u dude ?
I'm french! Is the english accent all that terrible?!
Your English is excellent, Wafael. :)
"I dont necessarily think its a great spot to raise a lot in his shoes. I've tried many times to rep sets and 2 pairs and bluff off overpairs in similar spots but I lost a lot doing so, people generally just dont fold AA in 3-bet pots." yep coz of the multitude of draws on this board, he might even consider that ur not folding AK AQ high there ! I definetely think that he would have JJ TT 55 44 JTs very often.
And I end up calling a lot there lifetime and they show me the nuts.
at 30.30 you call a 3bet from CO vs SB with 76cc then you justify not floating the flop too much of the time because this regular 3bets verry tight overall (6%). To me it s seems like a clear fold preflop unless this guy has big leaks postflop, do you agree in retrospect or do you still think you can show up a profit there ?
For me thats just a very standard call preflop, I dont really care that he only 3-bets 6% overall from a small sample it will just mean that I will play slightly tighter postflop. It's not like floating K94r w76cc is an automatic play vs most opponents either.
Hi Raphael,
The KJdd vs nanonoko on that 3 bet, with tp+fd don't you ever think calling turn again? It's allways a shove to you? It's because you want to shove there all the good draws that you'll play all your range on blank turns either folding or shoving? What do you think about floating turn with made hands and draws, with no push strategy, and then bet vs missed rivers?
Thanks! Nice vid!
No thats def not always a shove, here the plan to shove was more opponent specific and I will play turns more aggressively vs him in general. Still vs other opponents I want to have some turn raising range, I dont think its very good to go only call/fold on both flop and turn and delay agression till the river as you advocate.
What do you think of checking back the turn w/ kjdd vs nanonoko ?
Your hand is well protected with the flush draw and you lose less against his turn c/r range which is often kq+ since you will just lose a bet river. As you said he will 2-barrel pretty light so his check back seems pretty suspicious. Do you think he would call you off w/ like TT+ turn and river shove which is why you decide to bet ?
I think KJdd is just way too strong to ck back, am too far ahead of his range to even consider it and he will call 1 or 2 more bets with plenty worse hands. Also am barely inducing any river bluffs by cking back vs this specific player.
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