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Mid Stakes Short Handed NLHE Live Session

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Nick Howard

POSTED Aug 13, 2014

Nick plays some short handed and heads up NLHE games on Carbon and Bovada.

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Pplbamba 10 years, 7 months ago

17:15 table 2

You say that KK might not be a bet against optimal opponents. It would be cool if you could show a CREV game tree. I did my own and it seems that it would be a highly profitable turn against basically any opponent turn strategy. It also helps balance out basically perfectly 75% pot and river bets you might make with open-enders and gutters (assuming perfectly polarized turn and river betting so that you have almost 50% turn bluffs and 50% turn value). I think this strategy is only enhanced by the fact that this opponent is not playing optimally (and would call turn with his actual hand which should not be in his range on turn). I also did some various river cards and it also seems many of them would be very profitable as well, even more so than a turn check against an opponent who is not always betting all top pairs on turn and river when checked to. It seems the biggest problem would be that it would make your turn checking range relatively weak. But I don't think that should be a huge problem given the profitability of your flop bet. I am trying to import the CREV tree but currently having problems (using parallels on my mac). If I figure it out, I will upload. 

nittyoldman 10 years, 7 months ago

13:16 tbl1, I agree with every decision in the hand, so now that you've seen that he isn't 2 barreling this hand, what's the plan for a couple different types of rivers? If we get a 9s to complete our flush instead of a 9d, are you x/r or leading? are you ever x/f any rivers? I think the fact that he's giving up on the turn leads me to believe that he either 1)doesn't expect you to be x/c otf light with Ax or pp's and 2) so he may also be the same type of player to think his QJ unimproved on some rivers may have enough value to check behind against your missed draws...

but this goes back to his decision to check the turn which, as you state, could be expected to normally be 2 barreled IF he thought he had even the slimmest amount of fold equity since he has to much raw equity and doesnt need you to fold that often, so one could conclude that he doesn't expect you to ever be folding ott, and also reasonably conclude that you wont be x/f very often on a 9d.  I hope you dont mind, I'm just thinking out loud about villain's line and what I would deduct from seeing this showdown from him, not trying to make a case for folding river without insane history and some kind of crazy read because obv this hand is way up in your range.


Nick Howard 10 years, 7 months ago

yea i didn't really feel good about calling , b/c its just a spot that generally gets underbluffed by villain.  that being said i'm so high up in my range that it seems silly to be folding.

Joe Nelligan 10 years, 7 months ago

So not to troll but about your general philosophy of erring on the nitty side when you are not sure what strategy your opponent is playing in order to lower variance, i do think there are some valid points on the counter argument. I tend to agree with you especially if you are at all shot taking in a game or your confidence is a little lower than usual (be it from a down swing or being unsure of the skill level of your competition or w/e) but something I have given a decent amount of thought to is the idea of adding break even hands into a range assuming you are very well rolled and have a high confidence in your edge in a particular game.  Theoretically if you had a proper range for a given action (whether it be a 3 bet, 4 bet or just a plain old open raise) and could add some outside subset combination of hands to that range which in a vacuum over an infinite amount of hands (obviously impossible to tell) could break exactly even, wouldn't that add value to your new overall range because it makes you tougher to play against and gets you less credit for the times you actually have value hands? I do think that it depends on the action because if you could magically prove that adding 73 suited to a cold 5 betting range would somehow break even (obviously it pretty much never would) then it'd be awesome because the vast majority of your cold 5 bets will be value hands so adding a break even bluff adds value to your range for the times you have AA is great while possibly adding break even hand to a button raising range in a spot where you are not getting much credit for having a hand anyway might not do anything but increase variance or lose you value if they are over bluffing against your range.

Nick Howard 10 years, 7 months ago

it would allow you to to be more aggressive, but it's not a practical argument since we can't actually prove we have perfectly 0EV hands in our range.  

I'm not sure about the folding too much thing vs fish on the flop.  its something i'm more prone to do when the fish is mashing pot with sort of low SPR.  ime, fish who are mashing pot in those spots generally continue to mash too often on the next street. 





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