Merging Rivers: Fun Hand Review
Posted by Daniel Dvoress
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Cliff
- Op says this video is not a troll but it is. ie claim to be a casual video then brings out CREV.
JK, thank you for making the video.
Can we define range merger a little more ? A very good player once told me, range merging just a fancy term to player to click buttons.
Am I the only one that has fun poking around in CREV? :(
I'm not too sure that getting an exact definition of a merge should be the goal here (and I don't know what it would be). The main thing to take away is that it can be correct to bet even if you are not getting called by worse more than half the time (and you are at the same time not making a profitable bluff).
I was kidding. CREV was pretty cool. Thanks for the clarification.
@Shakesbear: I think it's incorrect to reject the idea of merging (at least prior to the river, I'm still not totally convinced here) as equity exists and equity denial has value. Almost every play we make preflop is a "merge" unless we are playing specifically with AA. Daniel's valuebluffing series is an excellent illustration of this as well.
On a humerous note, I might refer to this play as a blocking shove
I'm not rejecting anything. Just wish a more clear definition of range merge. Thanks for the recommendation, I will go check it out.
Actually, blocking shove might be a better term to use here than a merge - because what's really happening here is that shoving is partially advantageous because it "blocks" your opponent from being in a spot where he can put you into a breakeven one once you check.
Did he get called by worse?
Yep
are you not used to playing deep? this is a winning value bet.
what assumptions have you made about his range? do you think he gets here much wider than Daniel does?
I haven't gone through this entire video but what makes this a "merge" rather than a value bet that sometimes gets called by better?
Because when you get called you mostly get called by better, not sometimes.
Shouldn't BU call with AK before calling with str8?
I think so, yeah.
What about J8s?
I think that should be in his 3bet/c range
Adds a lot of value to the river jam.
J8s might be in the 3b/call range but I disagree strongly that a hand that is not always going to get 3bet, and not always will be called to the 4bet, and is only one combo and is a worse bluffcatcher than some other hands would add much value to the river shove.
This is a really interesting spot -- so clear cut. It demonstrates the power of balancing in taking away the other persons equity. By shoving it doesn't provide the in position player the option of using his KQ hands as bluffs, locking in AQcc hands value and equity advantage. It is easy to overlook the reasons why making someone indifferent to an action is useful to the actor.
Good summary!
It's good to see people having fun with poker more than playing for winning money. Personally I think that's a big part of winning at this game!
Thx a lot to bring fun to our study session!
By the way... what did the button have? =P
I really do think that having fun with poker concepts is essential to being successful - obviously if you are a professional then poker is work but if you only treat it as a grind and nothing else I find that you burn out quicker and are actually less likely to want to learn.
The BU had AA no club, and snap called, too.
Hi, I'm quite impressed, yet confused by the video.
Simplyfing it as much as possible (maybe even too much but it kinda haunts me): The shove as SB is reasonable (and profitable?), when we assume we get called by worse often enough, that it overcomes the fact we play against a guy good enough to play perfectly well when checked to on a river.
Does it make any sense?
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