Thanks for the comment :)

Hi, first of all, thanks for the comment!

About your question, I just looked at 3 different GTO sims and on all of them we're pure folding QQ - being a very negative call, just calling KK and AA:

But about the other part of your question, that you may be overplaying your hands a bit, I think that can be completely true depending on the opponents you're facing on your games. And I've dealt with that a lot when playing lower.

The first mistake might be that you're simply overevaluating your hands, thiking they should be a call in GTO but they're actually a pure fold or at least a mixed strat (I'm guilty of this myself).

The other thing might be that the players you're pllaying against are way tighter than they should be with their stacking-off ranges.

So for example, there are a lot of situations that I'd fold a hand that's decently strong preflop vs certain players - that's the huge importance of using a HUD in sites that allow it. There's a lot of difference on the preflop ranges of a 22/18/6 player compared to a 25/20/10 player (the higher you play, the more trending the second stats the regs will be).

Also recreational players are usually super tight with their 4-betting range (I learned this through MDA), so be extremelly careful when playing vs a 4-bet from a recreational. But once again, the answer most of the time will be on the stats, so pay very close attention to that.

I think Max showed you the wrong ranges in GTO Wizard by mistake.
Sorry Max Lacerda I dont want to correct you....but here is the "right" (NL 500, GTO Wizard) range:
Pretty interesting I think:
1. We pure fold AKo, but basically pure call AKs (some players might not know this)
2. QQ < JJ < TT, we fold QQ (65% fold) more then JJ (62%) and PURE call TT. I was pretty surprised seeing this and would never have done this in game (i think most of us dont 4b / call TT there?) I imagine it has to do with the fact that a UTG and MP 3bet range contain way more Qx and Jx than Tx so in case we are behind with TT we have a higher probability of hitting a set...

Just wanted to post that as I thought its pretty cool :) GL

Horkitorki14

1. QQ < JJ < TT, we fold QQ (65% fold) more then JJ (62%) and PURE call TT.

This is based on how many combos cold 4 bet preflop. On the simple 2.5x sim for EP vs MP vs BU cold 4bet. BU is 4 betting JJ 48% of the time and TT 12.5% of the time. Now if EP folds & MP shoves, BU is calling off QQ (51%), JJ (86.5%), and TT (100%). What does all this mean though?

QQ calling off about 6 combos, JJ is calling off about 1.5 combos, and TT is also calling about 1 combo.

I imagine it has to do with the fact that a UTG and MP 3bet range contain way more Qx and Jx than Tx so in case we are behind with TT we have a higher probability of hitting a set...

QQ blocks the bluffing range, so whenever you 3bet QQ and face a 4bet its less likely opponent is bluffing. Where as with JJ if you 3bet and face a 4bet, now opponent still has all the AQ, KQs hands in their range, so it increases FE a bit more with JJ. I think this is much different than original question though. Its more of a toy game depending on opponents bluffing range. It doesn't have to do with increasing the chance of hitting a set. Lets say opponent bluffs AJ instead of AQ. This is going to change things to where QQ now pure call and JJ folding.

RunItTw1ce Thanks for your thoughts. You are right, still a fun fact that you sometimes fold QQ in that spot but always call TT in case you are indeed arriving there with TT...

QQ blocks the bluffing range, so whenever you 3bet QQ and face a 4bet its less likely opponent is bluffing. Where as with JJ if you 3bet and face a 4bet, now opponent still has all the AQ, KQs hands in their range, so it increases FE a bit more with JJ. I think this is much different than original question though. Its more of a toy game depending on opponents bluffing range. It doesn't have to do with increasing the chance of hitting a set. Lets say opponent bluffs AJ instead of AQ. This is going to change things to where QQ now pure call and JJ folding.

In the scenario that you are describing it is indeed true that QQ blocks bluffingrange. But in the scenario we are talking about it cant be the case, as MP is pure calling QQ and never shoving it. So TT - QQ have the same hand strength: They flip vs AK and have theire 20% vs KK & AA. But since UTG range contained more Qx then Tx (and MP 3b bluffing range as well) calling off TT is more favourable because you can improve more likely in case you are behind vs KK /AA (or hit your set when opponent hits his AK).

QQ calling off about 6 combos, JJ is calling off about 1.5 combos, and TT is also calling about 1 combo.

Horkitorki14 Percentage may be higher, but the # of combos calling off is still less.

Hey!

I don't consider them as similiar as you might be thinking, I'd play a less polarized strat on the J527 compared to the KJ27 + I'm playing vs a recreational on the one in the left, so just trying to extract more value with my specific hand, given that I'm not really thining about stay balanced vs a rec

Indeed there's no problem in using an overbet on the left one, but it isn't as "clear" as on the KJxx:

And thanks for the comment!

In the sims I use it's a low frequency 3bet (around 25%), but I can definetly 3bet more vs recreationals, specially depending on how wide they're open.

Thank you!