4-Tabling $200 Zoom: Speeding Up the Action
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Hello Max, I enjoyed this video. I like how you bring out your thought process, especially I like that you also tell some adjustments that we can make against some weaker regs. Thank you! I like this format but I also like when you bring out theory videos and heuristics.
Thank you very much, I really like when I read these great feedbacks :) I think I'll make my next video to be a training session on a defense spot, so we can train some heuristics
6:25 feels like a fold vs this B33-B75-B75 line when PFR CB 3 ways on the flop. Range feels protected by enough KX where we can fold this combo. Maybe call without diamonds (I think they are negative blockers being back door). This is assuming we defend enough preflop with some KJo+ K5s+ hands? Its close either way but I think we can fold just because it was MW on the flop.
Wizard mostly barreling QdXd and lower CO vs BB if HU pot. Not sure about 3 ways, but got HU to the turn.
T9d is one of the better calls. JTd close to pure fold as double negative blockers. I expected T7d to do a bit more calling unblocking some Q9s type hands, but T7d also doing more folding than T9d. Close as expected and discussed in the video.
I think important to note IP is still barreling back door diamonds quite aggressively that doesn't have SDV. If they were front door diamonds then IP will give up quite a bit. You are right that Qx Jx way worse bluff catchers than diamonds though.
Think the multi-way defence for BB will be way tighter on flop and turn though, and therefore way more centred around hands calling the flop and turn with backdoor flush draws. Diamonds should therefore be a bigger percentage of BB's river folding range and hence CO should avoid bluffing them more, making T9dd a better call on the river if BB is forced to call any TX.
Ran this board in the 2 player CO vs BB format like you, and CO doesn't bet many dd hands on the river. The few that are used have lower diamonds, so as to not block as many BB folds; e.g. Q7dd, J8dd, A3dd. This is probably why your sim showed T7dd folding and T9dd calling.
I also ran the board in PIO with a different BB range - I removed some of the hands that missed the flop from the BB's preflop range, in order to mimic a multiway pot by having BB only call the flop with higher strength hands. It's a pretty rough, extremely inaccurate method but in this sim CO is bluffing no diamonds at all on the river, which hopefully supports my theory about the diamond blockers being worse in tighter spots.
Forgot to mention in the tight sim T9s is mainly folding the river with a small amount of bluff raise with the dd combos only
13:33 I thought A4d could be turned into a bluff here. Wizard is pure checking as played. Mostly lower pairs 99-22 & 76s-65s being turned into bluffs. Also AQ AJ not value betting. Even KQo without a heart is checking. I'm probably value betting a bit too much on this river and turning too many hands into bluffs trying to get opponents to fold 2 pair holdings. A bit strange if you 2/3 river or 59% on wizard HJ is XC with all 2 pairs like J10s. Which makes me wonder why AJ AQ are not value betting if opponent is calling worse.
This is a very tricky spot, I tend to think that players overcall when the board runs 4 to a straight, given that most of the times they should be folding a lot of "strong" hands
21:50 I think is a huge leak. You said you call all PP vs the 25% sizing. When opponents 4bet bluffs are a lot of A5s AQo etc their bluffing range improves on the flop, so now JJ is losing to the value range as well as the preflop bluffing range. Would just fold JJ here even though you have a diamond. You beat a couple of combos of KJs/KQs but not much else unless villain is out of line with his 4bet bluffing frequency.
Completely agree with this. Also, UTG's bluffs all have draws and perceived good blockers (i.e. block AK), so you will get barrelled off your hand the majority of the time you are ahead too. Was pretty surprised to see you show down a winner on the river.
The first time I became aware of this type of spot was in fact when Max Lacerda folded a decent pocket pair in a 3bet pot CO vs BTN on AXX vs 1/3 pot. You rightly pointed out that the weaker range overfolds the flop due to the opponent being very strong and able to barrel such hands off the pot almost always or instead show down a better hand.
Yep! Thanks for pointing that out, should've definetly folded there
7.50 - KQ on T85Q4
I think perhaps potting on the river is too large? My sim has this as 50% river bet maximum, and the pot bet being lower EV than checking. Given your small open size though, BB's range is wider than my sims, but would this be enough of a difference to change it?
Also thought this was a bit too large unless villain is a fish.
BB range is much wider vs 2x, for comparisson on my sims vs 2x open from UTG they should be folding 55.3%, vs 2.5x from BTN, BB should be folding 56%.
I think the sizing is fine give how his defense should be wider
Boas Max, curiosidade: estas a jogar sem stats ou não se consegue ver na gravaçao?
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