$50NL Zoom: Ripping Hands in a 4 Table Session
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Great to see you back, Max! :)
Thank you for the comment! A lot of good contents coming on the horizon =D
21:24: SRP vs btn. XX flop and folds to 2.2x overbet on turn. MDA or Theory fold?
Wizard's calling range on the turn. Q9 made indifferent as it is OESD but the K is reverse implieds and only want more of the KX to continue for clean outs. KTs > Q9o here.
Theory is already indifferent, regs from NL50 will hardly be able to achieve the proper bluff amounts on this spot, so pure fold in practice
22:52 (T3): LJ hero QQ vs BB .
B25 flop/ B75 turn/ then folds to PSB donk lead holding a Qc
Again MDA or Theory? What is the thought process for folding this river? We have enough flushes and 9x in our range to fold over pairs with a club? Or XC-XC-D100 just underbluffed?
On wizard close to a pure fold with QQ and only calling 9X+, but also folding some Q9s here. However, BB's line shouldn't exist so I am not sure what to make of this folding range. Wizard's calling range on this river.
Line shouldn't exist on theory, I honestly don't have an idea of how he's constructing his range, but:
It's a tight spot (LJvsBB) + paired textures tend to be a little worse to bluffcatch river + have no clarity over this line + my hand isn't a pure call for sure = calling it a greyzone and folding
River pot or overbet donks are very underbluffed by recreationals, as far as I know. Interesting as it´s the exact opposite for the smaller sizings. I think it was a good fold.
16:55 (T1): 3b pre vs CO.
B15 flop - B75 turn to "turn into bluff" - trying to get a K to fold I suppose?
1) is B15 really a thing in these late formations with wider ranges?
2) Don't we have a lot more other hands 65s, 76s, QJs, QTs, & JTs to choose for our bluffs? Yes, we block some of the folding range but 99 feels like middle of our range here.
A little bit of 9d9X betting on wizard here, but mostly smaller pairs. Way less flush draws and gut shots than I imagined. Wizard barreling range for B33-B66/130
Yeah, what happens in practice is that people overcall vs this size, so they get to the turn with a much weaker range than they should, therefore we overbluff. But honestly I don't mind just checking this 99 and calling a bet on the river
I also wanted to ask about this hand. You mentioned that people will way overcall the flop, I assume you mean with the pocket pair region, i.e. TT-66? I nodelocked CO calling all of those pairs, and the result is pretty extreme, with BTN barrelling turn with 100% frequency:
Hey Max. You are a great teacher I have to say.
@23:40 min mark you 3b JJ btn v UTG and call a 4-bet. Then snap fold v standard 25% cbet on k1010 flop. You shrug it off like it's nothing, but that would have eaten away at me, because I do not understand this concept. I come from spin n go background (25 or less bb) and transitioned to cash, and I've had to make a huge, uncomfortable adjustment when it comes to hands like 99,1010,JJ, even QQ. In a 3 handed spin 97% of the time you would just get these in and think nothing of it. If run into a higher pair its a cooler. But in cash, (50nl zoom) you have to do some maneuvering with these hands when u face aggression, ie. calling 4bets and playing postflop. And its this maneuvering part that I do not understand at all. I don't understand the difference between 22 and JJ here. Do you plan to get these JJ all-in OTF if they were an overpair? And call it a cooler if villain has better? Or do you call and "re-evaluate" turn (Which I don't fully understand "re-evaluating" either, like how much more info can hero deduce here from villain with already such a low spr?) If you are scared of his 4-bet range to not get in JJ preflop, and even on an ideal board like 224 not feel comfortable getting it in, why even call pre here? BTW any overcard (Q less scary) which hits villains range on flop and its just a snap fold to a range bet? So many factors against you here, I don't understand how this could possibly be +ev. If it's not profitable as a set mine, I don't see any real difference between JJ and 22 here. Help me see the light brother! :D
Looking forward to your reply, or if anyone else wants to chime in to help educate. Much appreciated. Peace!
Hi, first of all thank you for the comment!
There are 2 very important factors for me to find the for there with JJ, and they go together:
1: Villain profile - 18/15 reg, extremelly tight player that won't be able to find the 4bet bluffs that he should to be able to bluff properly on a Khi board
2: Range vs Range interaction: Vs a competent reg, I need to call there on the flop, cause he'll c-bet range and have some bluffs on that board, hands like AQo and A5s, A4s, things like that
So, when I recognize that he won't be able to have those types of bluffs because of profile + position + stake (NL50), it's easy for me to find a fold on a Khi texture
I don't think I should fold preflop tho, given that on tons of textures I'll call flop and be able to see a river a lot of the time, Qhi is a good texture for me, given that I don't believe villain will have AQ almost never, Thi and lower are very nice as well. And usually these weak players play AK very face up, that is: they c-bet almost any flop and check turn and river, making me realize my equity with JJ more than I should.
They only flops that I'm already folding on the flop vs a small bet are Khi and Ahi flops, the rest I continue and reavaluate the hand on further streets :)
Thanks for the reply.
Ic.. I didnt see villains stats. So you are essentially set-mining or hoping villain cbets a non A or K high board and then checks it down? And its just a fold to further aggression on the turn?
What about vs an aggro reg? Calling the cbet wider like you mentioned I understand. But what about OTT? I imagine its not just fold to a turn bet, are you mostly coming to a conclusion based on your hud stats here? Are you ever raising a Thi or less board OTF and getting it in?
Also, against both villains, I'm assuming, (barring specific reads) that you fold to any A or K OTT?
Hello Max, good to see you back!
At 18.30 you called the BB with Q4s vs a 3.9x ISO and a fish. I would have thought this type of hand would be way too weak against such a large sizing to warrant calling, especially when you are not closing the action? Do you have any data on what sort of range it is +EV to call with here?
At 33.30 on Q52ss4sJs with AT
The recreational bets 1/2 pot on the river, and you opt to raise small to bluff. I am under the impression that recreational players are probably way over bluffing the river here, is that the reason for your raise? As far as sizing goes, you mentioned that the small sizing should be enough, is that because recreational players tend to have way too many bluffs so that even a small raise is +EV for you?
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