It's Venom Time Again: Middle Stages

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It's Venom Time Again: Middle Stages

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Linc

POSTED Aug 17, 2022

We're back on day 2 of the Venom where stacks are still extremely deep and our hero finds himself navigating some tricky spots with a number of options and occasionally turns to GTO Wizard to check his line.

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MattS 2 years, 7 months ago

~33:00 mark - multiway you make a weak cbet in position multiway on a monotone flop.

How much equity would you say you need to take this line? Do you need the gutshot, or is it something that you take up as the opportunity arises?

Is AsQc every fitting in this line?

Great video format I enjoyed this very much.

Linc 2 years, 7 months ago

hey man thank you!

spot at minute 33: I definitely will not bet much here 3 way if i have absolutely nothing to go with on this board. Like occasionally I might flick this in too for the same small bet as here, but really mostly i will play this spot rather passively and check alot with a bunch of stuff, including strong and medium strong hands as well as air. Then bet some percentage small. And as explained in the video, I definitely think when we get just one caller, we can barrel here a bit more than I expect we could in gto, simply because I suspect general player population will add too many strong hands to the raising range and ends up calling with a too marginal range.

I made one mistake in the last hand btw, gonna point that out in another comment

Linc 2 years, 7 months ago

hand at aroung min 51, Q6o: I made a mistake here when looking up the sim, like we are looking at sb opening/folding/limping range here not our strat after sb 3.5x raises. We do raise Q6o and Q5 alot as well as small Axo and Kxo as I mentioned already in the video. But dont take that range and think this is our response range to the open!

SoundSpeed 2 years, 7 months ago

Great vid!
I like the inclusion of the gto reviews in this one. I think both formats work where one vid you go through hands faster and in another you do more sims.

42:38 your limp with 33. Is this a strat you are using a lot? Has it worked for you?

Hope you do another part. Thanks!

Linc 2 years, 7 months ago

Hi SoundSpeed,

2015-1017 I was using the limping strategy quite alot in uncommon spots with deep stacks, where "GTO" doesnt want to have any limps. When I was using it on a regular basis in higher stakes, I had created somewhat balanced ranges in the sense that basically I was partly limping almost my whole opening range just at a lower frequency like 10-20%, So I could end up with anything in these spots, while at the same time expanding the range a bit to hands that I exclusively limped, that would not be profitable or very break even opens, say UTG for example 22-44, 54s, 65s, 98s hands like this off of 100bbs, that I thought would benefit more from limping and I could vpip them more frequenty. I would ofc have AA KK QQ AK hands like this in limps too and then 3bet if raised and then added hands like A5s A4s to the limp/3bet bluffing range to balance this as well.
There were times in the beginning where regs where isolating way too weak a range and could be exploitet by 3betting alot, at some point I felt like they let me get away with too much limping on the other hands. So you will adjust the strategy according to how your opponents react.
Its another tool that can be used to add "non GTO" lines to throw off your opponents too. Just like sauce123 talked about it in one of his videos, where there is a similar concept in chess where strong grandmasters intentionally use non computer lines in order to force an actual guessing game of their opponents again instead of just have them memorize their strategy. Bobby Fischer was a fan of that too, surely also because he thought just following memorized computer lines was boring and killing the game. I think similarly with poker. Luckily poker is nowhere near as solved as chess yet though, so really we arent anywhere near this point of the game becoming boring because of that.

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