really love these in depth hands of live tournaments
about the second hand with AJ, do you ever expliotatively fold turn bc its hard to come up with that many bluffs and may be underbluffed spot. It seems usually he just realizes its a card for his range and a fairly wet board and wants to not miss a street of value as he does not expect to bluff wide or vbet thin on turn. Maybe if this was an online tournament (a 109 or something) or lower stakes live tournament like a 2k side event versus a random.
Glad you liked it. I definitely didn't feel great about calling the turn but think I have to when I beat some value combos and he is def capable of starting to bluff a hand like 56. I could see folding it vs some players.
enjoyed showdowns with euro bags and smiling villains :))
hand 2: interesting and viable idea with turning our hand into a bluff. The only one thing I am not sure about - is the sizing, you are suggesting to apply OTR: I thing that something closer to standard one (like 3/4 pot) is better, cause it's hard for us to find so many bluffs in our range to justify an overbet of 80k.
The only justification I can see for using a smaller size (or two sizings) on the river would be if it allows us to vbet a bunch more hands which I don't think it does in this instance. I think as I broke down in the video we can't bluff that many combos even when we shove and exploitatively if you think a shove will be viewed as really strong in this spot since every hand has showdown you can just bluff more of your worst made hands.
Really like this kind of live hand analysis videos!
In the first hand Marvins river sizing seems to me very indicative of KQ because his main goal with a Q should be to bluff us of a chop and since we really almost never have KQ ourself overjamming looks like the natural play to me. Would obviously be a very exploitative fold and I am not sure if I would make it in game and if it would actually be a good fold by any means, his sizing was just ringing my alarm bells when I saw it.
Glad you liked the video. This kind of thinking can go in cycles...if all in is the natural play with Qx then I never fold to it so it becomes the clear size with KQ etc. Marvin is definitely capable of making the smaller raise to look stronger so I don't think I can read too much into it.
in the AJ hand, if you feel its a big mistake to not bluff AJ otr doesn't that imply we're folding JT-KJ to his lead ott (which seems weak)? it feels like we should have some worse Jx that need to bluff riv? AJ seems more borderline and if we check flop some % with QQ-AA AJ becomes relatively higher in our range. thoughts?
Hi Ralph,
I would certainly fold JT and probably QJ on the turn. I don't think its too weak given I'm not cbetting super wide 4ways. Regardless I would rather bluff my AsJx than KxJx since he will presumably be bluff catching a lot more with the As himself and can't have a hand like AsJs. Given ranges are narrow this should have a fairly significant impact on the ev of the bluff.
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really love these in depth hands of live tournaments
about the second hand with AJ, do you ever expliotatively fold turn bc its hard to come up with that many bluffs and may be underbluffed spot. It seems usually he just realizes its a card for his range and a fairly wet board and wants to not miss a street of value as he does not expect to bluff wide or vbet thin on turn. Maybe if this was an online tournament (a 109 or something) or lower stakes live tournament like a 2k side event versus a random.
Glad you liked it. I definitely didn't feel great about calling the turn but think I have to when I beat some value combos and he is def capable of starting to bluff a hand like 56. I could see folding it vs some players.
enjoyed showdowns with euro bags and smiling villains :))
hand 2: interesting and viable idea with turning our hand into a bluff. The only one thing I am not sure about - is the sizing, you are suggesting to apply OTR: I thing that something closer to standard one (like 3/4 pot) is better, cause it's hard for us to find so many bluffs in our range to justify an overbet of 80k.
The only justification I can see for using a smaller size (or two sizings) on the river would be if it allows us to vbet a bunch more hands which I don't think it does in this instance. I think as I broke down in the video we can't bluff that many combos even when we shove and exploitatively if you think a shove will be viewed as really strong in this spot since every hand has showdown you can just bluff more of your worst made hands.
Really like this kind of live hand analysis videos!
In the first hand Marvins river sizing seems to me very indicative of KQ because his main goal with a Q should be to bluff us of a chop and since we really almost never have KQ ourself overjamming looks like the natural play to me. Would obviously be a very exploitative fold and I am not sure if I would make it in game and if it would actually be a good fold by any means, his sizing was just ringing my alarm bells when I saw it.
Glad you liked the video. This kind of thinking can go in cycles...if all in is the natural play with Qx then I never fold to it so it becomes the clear size with KQ etc. Marvin is definitely capable of making the smaller raise to look stronger so I don't think I can read too much into it.
hey stephen,
in the AJ hand, if you feel its a big mistake to not bluff AJ otr doesn't that imply we're folding JT-KJ to his lead ott (which seems weak)? it feels like we should have some worse Jx that need to bluff riv? AJ seems more borderline and if we check flop some % with QQ-AA AJ becomes relatively higher in our range. thoughts?
thx!
Hi Ralph,
I would certainly fold JT and probably QJ on the turn. I don't think its too weak given I'm not cbetting super wide 4ways. Regardless I would rather bluff my AsJx than KxJx since he will presumably be bluff catching a lot more with the As himself and can't have a hand like AsJs. Given ranges are narrow this should have a fairly significant impact on the ev of the bluff.
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