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4-Tabling Review: Learn All the Answers

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Luke Johnson

POSTED Feb 07, 2025

Luke Johnson reviews four tables of action against tough regs in one of his most popular formats where he distills the knowledge from all of the solver outputs ready to serve as he breaks down the footage.

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TRUEPOWER 2 months ago

what a crazy run out, way to go for the max on the end, no need to get fancy with a smaller sizing

RunItTw1ce 2 months ago

7:55 T#4 on 543-K-7 board where you chose X-B27-B70. On the river given the 1 liner to a straight are you ever using a block size IP? Get thin value with like KJ+?

In the past I was always told never to use less than 50% pot on the river IP because reopening the action isn't worth the thin value. More recently this year I have seen wizard using some 1/3 block sizes IP on the river and some other coaches like Hunter Cichy also recommending 1/3 block size on the river as an exploit. OOP range will be mainly capped and we don't face enough check raises, so we can still bet small for thin value.

Luke Johnson 2 months ago

7:55 T#4 on 543-K-7 board where you chose X-B27-B70. On the river given the 1 liner to a straight are you ever using a block size IP? Get thin value with like KJ+?

In the past I was always told never to use less than 50% pot on the river IP because reopening the action isn't worth the thin value. More recently this year I have seen wizard using some 1/3 block sizes IP on the river and some other coaches like Hunter Cichy also recommending 1/3 block size on the river as an exploit. OOP range will be mainly capped and we don't face enough check raises, so we can still bet small for thin value.

In short, no. We want to polarise in this spot. As such, it doesn't make sense to polarise for a block here. IP blocking OTR is mostly deployed when you are doing well.

RunItTw1ce 2 months ago

9:30 What are you using to make these notes? I'm not sure why but the different bullet points, from open circle, to closed circle, and other bullet points you used with the black background and white font was impressive to me how fast you did this. I really enjoy these organized study documents.

I also miss seeing the plants in the background that randomly attacked you in the other video a few months ago lol.

mx404 2 months ago

other bullet points you used with the black background and white font

I think any typical markdown will be able to do this :D

RunItTw1ce 2 months ago

Watched some youtube videos. All caught up on design and page color. Very simple. Always enjoyed dark theme.

Luke Johnson 2 months ago

Haha, thanks man.

I'm just using windows notepad, and I have the bulletpoint options memorised

•◘○ = alt+7/8/9.
... and then lots of tabbing across so it's an easier read

RunItTw1ce 2 months ago

20:45 T#3 My anxiety was through the roof watching you shove this river. I actually noticed I was holding my breath to see if you get called and I paused it to post this comment lol. I think low stakes you just get range folds in this spot and they say "I'll get you next time." Because their range is not balanced in this X-XC100-XC500 line. It's so rare to see and people just fold because they have only invested 8-9bb.

Future video request actually! I would love to see you go back and play 200NL for fun. Similar to Simon Draper or Elusivemark and make a video of "rolling high" or rolling aggressive number each time. Just make a bunch of these plays to see how high you can get your redline. It would also be funny to see rumors that you busted your bankroll and now you are playing 200NL.

Luke Johnson 2 months ago

20:45 T#3 My anxiety was through the roof watching you shove this river. I actually noticed I was holding my breath to see if you get called and I paused it to post this comment lol. I think low stakes you just get range folds in this spot and they say "I'll get you next time." Because their range is not balanced in this X-XC100-XC500 line. It's so rare to see and people just fold because they have only invested 8-9bb.

Hahaha, nice man. I'm glad I've got you at the edge of your seat whilst watching. Job done! ;)

Future video request actually! I would love to see you go back and play 200NL for fun. Similar to Simon Draper or Elusivemark and make a video of "rolling high" or rolling aggressive number each time. Just make a bunch of these plays to see how high you can get your redline.

If others would like to see another 200NL runback, then I can do this. Just let me know!

It would also be funny to see rumors that you busted your bankroll and now you are playing 200NL.

Haha! True, I've got enough trolls on 2p2 to make this happen ��

mx404 2 months ago

If others would like to see another 200NL runback, then I can do this

another 200 sesh could be fun!

RunItTw1ce 2 months ago

25:30 T#2 You mentioned on the river your thinnest value bet is king of spades, so you want to use a larger river size. Is this because you went b70 on the turn? Had you chosen the smaller b27 size that the solver liked on the turn, is the river still KsX+ and a large bet?

Luke Johnson 2 months ago

25:30 T#2 You mentioned on the river your thinnest value bet is king of spades, so you want to use a larger river size. Is this because you went b70 on the turn? Had you chosen the smaller b27 size that the solver liked on the turn, is the river still KsX+ and a large bet?

Yep, due to turn sizing for sure, and the fact that the river paired the board.

Via a smaller cbT and unpaired river, I'll include Jsx+. Via a larger cbT and paired board, Ksx+

RunItTw1ce 2 months ago

38:30 I would be interested in seeing more of these examples as well. This one went right over my head at first. Why TT is raising and 76s is only calling being dead against QJ. TT having a redraw to a boat vs straight. I haven't studied this spot at all really, but I assume this is a big mistake people are making quite often.

mx404 2 months ago

One similar example I have in mind is that SRP IP on 4-flush turn, IP chooses some sets to barrel off while pure checking some 2nd/3rd nut flush.

I think the idea is pretty close - just to make sure that the aggressor still have the nutted hands on the paired river, otherwise the turn defender can just relentlessly bomb the paired river to attack the nut-changing dynamic runout from a GTO standpoint.

Luke Johnson 2 months ago

38:30 I would be interested in seeing more of these examples as well. This one went right over my head at first. Why TT is raising and 76s is only calling being dead against QJ. TT having a redraw to a boat vs straight. I haven't studied this spot at all really, but I assume this is a big mistake people are making quite often.

Yep, these 'boat draws'/'boat re-draws' are something population does NOT do enough. Often they may not even be considered. This can even be true at high stakes.

Luke Johnson 2 months ago

One similar example I have in mind is that SRP IP on 4-flush turn, IP chooses some sets to barrel off while pure checking some 2nd/3rd nut flush.

I think the idea is pretty close - just to make sure that the aggressor still have the nutted hands on the paired river, otherwise the turn defender can just relentlessly bomb the paired river to attack the nut-changing dynamic runout from a GTO standpoint.

Precisely mx404 , well said

There's quite a few configs on when this happens, all for very similar reasons

RunItTw1ce 2 months ago

43 T#4 Why are we not tripling 44 here? Do we only triple on heart or spade completing river? Seems like SDV is really low here and we can get some pair + FD or pair + SD hands to XC-XC-XF.

mx404 2 months ago

Hey Luke, Look forward to the next episode a lot :D

Enjoy the part you talked about SRP flop strategy a lot (KQ2 vs KQ8, K96 etc. ), giving us a glimpse into how you think & build your flop strategy, love it.

Luke Johnson 2 months ago

Thank you mx404

Glad you enjoyed the format and discussions. Aggregations are for sure a real help to craft the strategies on the fly, as you saw.

More to come!

mx404 2 months ago

05:55

I absolutely love the idea how you manipulate pio and come up with the blocking play which is both exploitative + more instinctive to us (just like the turn stabbing strategy comments we discussed on your last vid!). Really really handy. <3

On a more generic note -- giving the turn-probing tendency you said (people is betting more than 1/7 range and being more merged), can we just do delayed blocking on most runouts? - No necessarily range betting but when bet - just bet more and bluff more w blocking sizing?

Luke Johnson 2 months ago

I absolutely love the idea how you manipulate pio and come up with the blocking play which is both exploitative + more instinctive to us (just like the turn stabbing strategy comments we discussed on your last vid!). Really really handy. <3

Glad you liked it, man. This is an integral part of studying with a solver; it is important to understand why solver does XYZ, so that you can find a way to do what YOU want to do

On a more generic note -- giving the turn-probing tendency you said (people is betting more than 1/7 range and being more merged), can we just do delayed blocking on most runouts? - No necessarily range betting but when bet - just bet more and bluff more w blocking sizing?

For the spots where they prT too often, yes. However, there will be situations where population also follows suit and bets only 1/7 times. E.g. AK28x2fd BBvsBTN, CO, MP, UTG.

mx404 2 months ago

20:34 A8o hand - would you consider other sizings?

Of course 5x pot shove here is a fine sizing as we just have infinite more amount of straight vs SB, but we do want to value bet our other 2p/sets and we only jamming straight here I believe.

Will you go for other sizing (say b150) for other bluffs (say QJ or some KJ) or are you sticking the all-in sizing for bluffs since truthfully there's very little bluffs for BB here on the 4 river.

Luke Johnson 2 months ago

20:34 A8o hand - would you consider other sizings?

Of course 5x pot shove here is a fine sizing as we just have infinite more amount of straight vs SB, but we do want to value bet our other 2p/sets and we only jamming straight here I believe.

Will you go for other sizing (say b150) for other bluffs (say QJ or some KJ) or are you sticking the all-in sizing for bluffs since truthfully there's very little bluffs for BB here on the 4 river.

Yes. 133/AI is going to be my strat here. With my hand, I pref AI. With horrible QJ combos, probably 150/check.

mx404 2 months ago

Very nice heuristic on 77>88>55>33/22 on 39:37. I would definitely pick up 22/33 first but that reasoning makes a lot of sense! Thanks Luke.

Luke Johnson 2 months ago

Very nice heuristic on 77>88>55>33/22 on 39:37. I would definitely pick up 22/33 first but that reasoning makes a lot of sense! Thanks Luke.

We're in the same boat then, as I also went up the 22>33>tree first, too.

Simon Draper 2 months ago

Hey Luke Johnson

Just wanted to chime in and say I love this type of video format (may shamelessly steal it for one of my own future videos!).

Wanted to ask a few thoughts on reg battling in general, as I know this is something you do an awful lot of.

  1. Do you think that reg battling is most effective when more short handed? IE you'd prefer to play HU or 3 handed than 6 handed?

  2. How much of an impact do you think rake has in terms of how much you'd want to reg battle? I play 500NL so it obviously has higher rake than say 2k. Would you still advocate battling a few tables at this limit or being more selective?

  3. Where do you think your edge comes from in these games? Is it that you have superior theoretical knowledge and therefore the EV will just naturally come your way, or do you put a lot of your edge down to exploiting these guys in a few key spots per session?

Thanks in advance!

Luke Johnson 2 months ago

Hi Simon Draper thanks for stopping by. Sure, please feel free to use this idea for your videos!

  1. • We likely generate more EV per vpip in 6-handed battles versus 3-handed battles, due to the wider variety of spots we face
    • We likely generate more EV per 100 hands in 3-handed battles, due to a higher VPIP, despite as per 1a., likely making less per VPIP.
    • I personally enjoy SH battles a lot more than 6h battles, due to the wider ranges and lack of downtime
    ... so to summarise, 3-handed is more profitable and enjoyable for me

  2. • Simply, rake has a huge impact on reg battling. However, I would strongly argue that the regs at 500- are very exploitable. Even though the rake is a mere fraction at 2k than what it is at 500, I'd surely profit more evBB/100 at 500. There is a tipping point, though, as if you go even lower, the rake does become quite devastating.
    • Despite all of this, there are other merits to reg battling
    ○ to maintain a constant flow of games. If you play 500+ and don't play many sites, often is the case you'll need to start games
    ○ to ensure a seat when a rec sits down
    ○ to futureproof myself; bumhunters will face more futureproofing issues than game starters
    ○ to have FUN!

  3. • My top three focuses are to maintain a high level of theory, exploits and mental game. When compound together, I do not believe I am way ahead of my peers, in fact I sometimes notice that I may be struggling (I like to think of it as drowning). This, however, only brings out the best in me. Overall, I believe I am doing well enough to maintain a small edge, whilst picking up some EV here and there.
    • As for your question, my 'main edge' is likely theory, and as such, picking apart their perceived mistakes where others may not realise anything is untoward. Another potential is how simple my gameplan is, and how well I know it, inside out. I expect others do not know their games as well as I know mine.

P.s. apologies for the poor formatting. I could not get the bulletpoints to work correctly.

SoundSpeed 2 months ago

Great review, Luke!

2:00 since we don't cbet much i would have thought we would go polar when we do bet and as such go big, at least pot. Is that not the case because we don't really have a nut advantage?

10:08 so we don't range bet from mp because our range is wider and weaker? I would think opponents range would be slightly wider as well since they are up against a wider range.

14:10 table 3 a8 would you ever mix in a xr with your strong combo draws and potentially even this hand where you can fire off on diamond rivers?

20:00 I'm surprised you wouldn't have a less than pot bet with tx for value.

Thanks!

Luke Johnson 2 months ago

2:00 since we don't cbet much i would have thought we would go polar when we do bet and as such go big, at least pot. Is that not the case because we don't really have a nut advantage?

Yes, exactly. Basically, we are getting killed everywhere, esp. at the top where all of the nutted hands are either in OOP's range only (62s), or there more often (76o+76s vs IP's 76s). Sizing up ends up effectively shooting ourselves in the foot.

10:08 so we don't range bet from mp because our range is wider and weaker? I would think opponents range would be slightly wider as well since they are up against a wider range.

I'm not exactly sure why MP is range betting and UTG is not.

14:10 table 3 a8 would you ever mix in a xr with your strong combo draws and potentially even this hand where you can fire off on diamond rivers?

Yes, definitely. Hands like K8dd work very well as initial checks OTT, to then XR vs aggression.

20:00 I'm surprised you wouldn't have a less than pot bet with tx for value.

Tx is generally too thin of a prT when MW here for pot. AT is likely the only acceptable value probe.

Thanks!

Welcome as always SoundSpeed :)

matlittle 2 months ago

Interesting concept you talking about here for barrelling turn with pocket pairs, where you like to block combodraws in this scenario so the 77 and 88 get bet more often than the lower ones. Is this pattern on both single and double flush draw turns? Presumably on badugi turns we would prefer lower pairs instead?

Luke Johnson 2 months ago

Yep, it is a little less prevalent if single suited + the fd is bdfd to flop. Badugi there is effectively no suit bias, other than wanting to unblock flop suits.

matlittle 2 months ago

For badugi, do we want to block OESDs, so 77 and 88 are still good barrels? Or do we then revert to low pairs like 22-44 in order to have good unblockers to folding range?

Luke Johnson 2 months ago

Hey matlittle

For badugi, do we want to block OESDs, so 77 and 88 are still good barrels? Or do we then revert to low pairs like 22-44 in order to have good unblockers to folding range?

On badugi our 77 88 equity/SDV increases vs x2fd, so we're less incentivised to bluff. Instead we can use the 22 33/naked overcards/naked bluffs (54xx).

The naked draws are less able to bluff on the x2fd due to the connected nature and availability of better bluffs. However on badugi they are now great candidates to fill up our bluff quota

matlittle 2 months ago

I would have thought that Ad here would have been too punitive for you to bluff river? That, plus having the 8 which blocks hands like 98s, 87s, T8s that might call turn fold river for SB. I get that you have a nut advantage, but you still have plenty of JX and 8X to bluff.

matlittle 2 months ago

And lets say you are allowed to bluff Ad8 here, I would have thought it would fit more naturally into your 133% sizing instead of the shove, given your blockers are not ideal?

Luke Johnson 2 months ago

Those 8x catchers you mention seem like the NUT catchers here for OOP, so I like have an 8

but you still have plenty of JX and 8X to bluff.

I believe you are way overestimating how many bluffs I am going to arrive with OTR -- I am going to have little or no Jx arriving OTR after I prT PSB MW vs relatively strong ranges. Sure I may have QJ KJ, however, I would MUCH rather bluff Ad8 over those.

Luke Johnson 2 months ago

And lets say you are allowed to bluff Ad8 here, I would have thought it would fit more naturally into your 133% sizing instead of the shove, given your blockers are not ideal?

Perhaps b133 is more fitting, yeah. But again, my 8x seems nutted here. Obviously Ad is completely unideal

Also note how incredibly asymmetric our value range is vs villain. Everything that is good, and worth AI, is in our range significantly more often than SB. It is a night and day type situation. In these cases, don't be afraid to utilise big actions with bad hands.

matlittle 2 months ago

Yeh I guess the 8x is a good blocker for shoving when you are repping a bunch of straights. Sometimes I guess a little confused with hands that block folds and block the nuts at the same time like this, but for such a polar range its definitely gonna be a good blocker.

Also note how incredibly asymmetric our value range is vs villain. Everything that is good, and worth AI, is in our range significantly more often than SB.

What would be your threshold for shoving river here?
On this board I would expect SB to very set-heavy. So when you pot the turn it seems like you are repping something SUPER strong given that SB can still check-raise turn. They of course remove lots of sets by just check-calling the turn, but I still am not sure you can shove the river here with T9 for example? Obviously you have the massive straight advantage but I'm curious how much you think hands like T9, 33 are worth here; 133% or shove?

Luke Johnson 2 months ago

Yeh I guess the 8x is a good blocker for shoving when you are repping a bunch of straights. Sometimes I guess a little confused with hands that block folds and block the nuts at the same time like this, but for such a polar range its definitely gonna be a good blocker.

It can be quite tricky. It's what I called a "compromised" blocker, in the sense that it blocks both value and bluffs

What would be your threshold for shoving river here?
On this board I would expect SB to very set-heavy. So when you pot the turn it seems like you are repping something SUPER strong given that SB can still check-raise turn. They of course remove lots of sets by just check-calling the turn, but I still am not sure you can shove the river here with T9 for example? Obviously you have the massive straight advantage but I'm curious how much you think hands like T9, 33 are worth here; 133% or shove?

Good question. I think I would shove T9 here, but it's ULTRA thin. Vs a nittier rec I certainly wouldn't, as they may have too many set XC's OTT and too few herocalls OTR.

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