$5/$10+: A Live Session w/ Realtime Thoughts
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27:45 Definitely a blunder to call with villain's hand. Folding 60% of the time on the turn as well.
On the river wizard has your combo as a pure check. -5.94 EV to shove. I don't understand the suit selection here. Are we just not supposed to bet missed spades? But then KsQc pure bets and KcQs pure checks. A bit confusing here.
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Thanks for checking RunItTw1ce :)
Yes. Weird. The suit selection is quite bizarre/not intuitive, and most importantly very sensitive. Not a good combination all round. Given this, I try to play to my own preferences.
I don't believe the shove will be badly in game. Obviously if villain heroes this then I stand corrected ^^, but we should not be results oriented from one hand
You mentioned in game that this kind of call doesn't tilt you anymore like it might have done previously. This is the exact kind of scenario that would send me on tilt in an instant, despite knowing that in the long-run my opponents mistakes are good for my winrate. How did you get to the point where this kind of thing doesn't really affect you anymore?
Good comment! matlittle
Don't get me wrong, there are things that will trigger me at the tables... however, in this particular instance where I sincerely know(/at least strongly feel) that my own strategy is not going to allow him to profitably call ATdd (in fact it'll lose a lot), I simply don't mind losing; the money will come back with the way he plays. Smile, and move on.
Another way to consider it is quite egotistical and condescending, nevertheless it is a helpful mental trick for me. I will consider him so weak that he probably needs the money more than me. I've almost helped him in this instance. And because I have no qualms about my play, I can feel rest assured that I've helped someone, and not made any mistakes doing so. Idk if that resonates with you at all.
such a gross call man idk
44:10 is this a glitch on ACR? You can top up during a hand? You have 67bb but whenever you raise you have a 100bb.
Yes, it's a visual glitch as far as I can tell; it tops me up before the hand begins but doesn't display it correctly only until after I've made my first action. Happens often, and I think all the regs know this by now, too.
Luke,
The A7o hand at ~5:00 on 7d8dQc flop you check raise get called and turn is 4c. Seems like this is a good candidate to continue betting turn with, a lot of your bluffs either get there on turn or have/pickup decent equity on turn and your value hands are still ahead of villains (for the most part). You mention making a study video on this session for your next video, I think this would be an interesting candidate to look at. Curious if this is mostly bet for larger sizing on turn. River is an interesting card as well if you continue betting turn.
Thanks Luke.
Hey 777TripSevens777 I did end up making a follow-up study video to this, and I remember covering this hand in detail, so I won't spoil what I found out in that video just now :)
Luke,
Enjoyed the format. I like that you are able to get a lot of hands in while explaining your thought process. Look forward to seeing the study portion of this series as well as a part 2 if you make one. Great job.
Thanks
Thank you very much 777TripSevens777
Really glad you enjoy the format. I personally find it a little tough to do live commentary whilst playing, and as such make a few extra mistakes do end up taking place. On the whole, though, I hope it come across as a fun, refreshing and hopefully more laid back video compared to my others here
At 33:55 you fold 99 in sb vs a co open on the botttom middle table, you are talking about another hand at the time and dont mention why you folded, is this a misclick?
Hi soggybottoms not a misclick, I do not play SB CC's here and I rolled a 94 on the RnG, which for me is a very passive roll. At the time I didn't believe I was playing >94% 3b w/ 99. However, you have tempted me to double check my ranges and in fact it is a 100% 3b, so appreciate the comment/reminder, this was indeed a mistake!
hey luke wicked video man thank you !
Thank you very much as always TRUEPOWER :)
Hope you enjoy/enjoyed, and I'm here if you have any questions
Cheers
im going to rewatch it and ask some questions hehe
Hey Luke, what a rapid fire video. I was ultra focus but still can't keep up with the action, keep rewinding the tape. Guess your brain is just processing much faster
Loving it, tons of info to digest.
ps -- I understand you are going to follow up w a review sesh, so if any of the my question is answered there, feel free to just let me know so that I don't waste your time typing it again :D
Thank you! mx404 glad you enjoyed and found this educational :)
00:18 Top Left table OTF flop sizing choices -
I ran both sims w OOP linear/polar range given it's BBvMP 3b -
Just curious on your thought process on how you pick flop sizings here?
My range is polar here, but vs EP, it doesn't contain much complete junk. In this case on Q54s, I am going 1/3p range
Luke Johnson
I see -- but these polar spots sometimes confuses me a lot since different charts choose different junk portion hence the polar range is different -- that and results in different flop sizing decision.
How do you deal with that? Do you just stick with one range in your sim? Thanks
Yes, I stick to my own default range polarised 3betting BBvsUTG, and ignore other software outputs. As you say, solvers can be a little notorious for gravitating towards different polarised parts of the range
In this case, my polarised range still wants to cbet range on Q54s BBvsUTG. If it were even more polarised, say BBvsBTN, featured a lot more junk, then I would have to find checks.
00:55 Top left table - you said K is the best river in the deck.
Why is that?
I understand K is probably best riv in terms of range vs range - but isn't that making the bluffcatching for IP harder? Since lots of our bluffs got there and with our particular hand, we do want him to call our triple-barrel so K isn't as good a complete brick to me.
Haha, I meant it was the best river in the deck for our range, not necessarily for our range. Sure, we would rather see a brick instead to keep his BC'ers more indifferent ^^
02:06 "facing a standard 2/3 bet I think we just press call here - god damn" facing a jam
and continued to beat the ONLY value combo he's shoving for.
Definitely highlight of the video. Hahahaha this is so so funny.
Lmaooo, ikr. Honestly, this might still be a fold exploitatively even with beating 1 combo of villains value, given I am not expecting too many bluffs in this line :S
04:48 Top left table "A xjam OTT strikes to you that it could be good exploitatively depends on timing & sizing" - very interesting! Could you elaborate a bit more w the exploits here?
Thanks!
Mainly sizing. A small stab here is seldom going to be strong exploitatively, and my line would look exceptionally strong going for a double xr after he sized up flop. And with As7h I would be blocking a lot of what I am worried about calling me
05:35 Top left table - this hand is quite fascinating. OTR, you first reaction is that you have to bluff, then you decided to not bluff, then after a few seconds you said you are going to bluff here. It's a relief to see a top-tier player like you are also these back-and-forth decision making in game :P
1) Could you talk a bit more on your thought process here? - Why do you suddenly decided not to bluff as you only worried you block the folds (AQ).
2) Also regarding the river sizing choice - I understand that OOP has very little bluffs here -- but what's in your mind when you picked the blocking sizing on the spot?
Thank you!
This hand was reviewed in detail OTR in the coming follow-up study video, so will avoid spoilers and respond to any further questions you may have after watching it
12:53 Bottom mid table you said "I don't think he will shove a straight and even though he's fine to shove a straight here and I don't think he is going to realize that"
Could you explain a little bit more on the exploitative reads here? Thanks!
He's not a strong villain. IMO too passive and overall quite weak. Thus, I don't believe he sits there with a (flopped) straight and goes BBJ on a bad turn and river. Psychologically, I think he slows down somewhere.
19:10 top mid table you mentioned you only play 1/3 or overbet here. Is that just how you build your strategy on river? And do you also do that on flop call turn xx river spot too?
It depends on the in play, regardless of XX XX or XC XX. Board dependant, it will be either 27 70 or 27 133. Never really 27 100 fwiw, that's just my personal preference.
Btw, with 27 133 in this spot, I pref b133 with my hand in hindsight
25:41 top right - you said you going to flick in some raises here. Solver pure calls the mid board vs OOP b33, what are your considerations here - do you think 1) villain cbets too much, 2) splits his range too imbalance so b33 is weaker, or 3) just plays poorly vs raises?
26:21 same hand OTT - you said you pure stab KQo using b50, what's your overall turn strats here? (I find the turn stabbing spot very tricky myself haha).
ps - In the same sim I ran (flop b33 call, turn x) - IP will mostly stab b33 & KQ is mixed around 33% bet/66% check.
& his bluffcatching makes this hand even more interesting. Really looking forward to seeing a detailed breakdown of this hand in your review vid :D
#2 and #3
His b33 → X is going to be quite leak, so I'll leveraging down to include 6x/77, instead of polarising up to overpairs/8x. b50 feels good here.
Make sure you don't run b33 only for cbF strat. OOP is almost definitely not uncapped OTF
Luke Johnson
Do you mean that we can't assume people play one-size only strats OTF so b33 might be weaker in reality?
Not always. If the board were K72r then I would presume their b33 to be uncapped. However, on 864s, their b33 is surely not going to be uncapped. Not by a long shot.
Heck - this is super inspirational. Guess I was too naive to assume people are just playing one-sizing.
Thanks a lot Luke, you are the best :)
mx404 glad to hear it <3
37:21 top middle - calling A2s 40BB deep seems a bit too much even him playing very aggressively as we could be losing to some of his bluff?
As mentioned in the commentary, I suspected him to be an ultra maniac/whale rec based on a few hands the day before. This is ordinarily an easy fold OTF
40:48 top left you said this strikes to you as potentially overbluffed - listed some sizings thoughts and then still continued to fold - what's going thru your mind made you click the fold button eventually?
Meh, if I'm playing off video and have more timebank, I likely call in game. The only reason I folded is because I hadn't enough time to get to the end of my thoughts, and didn't want to make potentially a stupid mistake.
43:35 I love the play as it's the same line in my mind! And I just had the f-word out of my mouth the exact moment as you when watching LOL
But do you think 2x pot and 2.5x pot makes some difference vs sticky players? Sometimes I'm just not sure if my 2x will work in the BXB line.
Hehehe
Yes I usually consider 2x, 2.5x, 3x. All exploitatively ofc. In this spot where the board is ultra connected, I don't believe I need to size up more than 2xpot to get a ton of folds. I'm not in the camp of targeting straights here, just a bunch of auto folds/sigh folds vs my 2xpot. Any bigger and I likely face the same resistance.
49:38
Would be stoked if you can make a vid (or a series) talking about deep stack plays :D
Noted ^^
I wouldn't be too quick to totally disregard the AT call as without logic. He's gone 3rd pot on flop so you have so many bluff hands like exactly the one you showed up with. It's going to be really hard to regulate frequencies. Even if his exact call is getting into chopping with bluffs territory, I think it's worth acknowledging that you are probably heavily overbluffing here and he recognised that was likely. Even if he isn't "owning" you with AdTd, he's presumably printing EV calling all his better A highs and other catchers
Ran a rough and ready sim and if you nodelock IP to additionally follow through river with all none missed FD hands, his call is already winning
Great video as always, cheers
africano7781 Idm admitting my faults. This isn't one of those times, though. ATdd has to be one of the nutlow catchers in his entire range. Perhaps the only worse candidates are exactly AJdd/AQdd. Furthermore BB is almost definitely not uncapped OTF via cbF b33, as your GTOw screenshot shows. There's just really no justifying his call down.
The solver likes to barrel the turn here pure with A9s and Q9s, because it achieves a cool merging effect whereby villain mainly folds JJ and TT, but calls with T9s. The 9 also obviously blocks 99 and 98s too.
(It was 3BP BTN vs UTG 15.05)
Yeah, I like this idea w/ the Ax overcard and vs EP. Nice line, tbh.
For this multiway hand at 16.55 you decided to just pure give up on river with bluffs, because you felt that J0hnMcclean wouldn't bet the flop with much air in a 3way pot. Would it also be true that he wouldn't bet the flop with many middling hands either, e.g. A5s or JJ? So then after he checks back the turn card, my guess would have been that he would have lots of backdoor draw hands that bricked turn, plus some TX?
Does the recreational player being in the pot sway you way more to giving up too? Would you expect them to call too often on river in multiway pots in general because they don't adapt enough to ranges being tighter?
To your first point regarding CO, I'm presuming he cbets flop with a more equity driven range with the recreational SB+. Bluffs can be in there, just usually the more intuitive ones that cbT often. I'm also blocking a bunch of his one and dones like Q5cc/K5cc/Q7cc/K7cc. I expect his BX range here, esp. on the Ahi texture & being IP MW vs a rec, to be quite SD-bound and not too fold happy.
Regarding SB and whether he folds enough in this line, I would say almost definitely yes. However, CO is too bit of a worry for me to consider SB likely being overly weak.
For this hand it looked as though you didn't use the RNG for 3betting this hand and opted to pure call it preflop? Can I infer from that that vs recreational players you will 3bet linear here rather than polar? If so, what do you think are the borderline hands that are good enough to 3bet here vs a recreational player? I am using a linear range vs recs but never quite sure exactly how strong a hand should be to 3bet here. Also I'm not entirely sure whether I want hands like 65s in there too at a small frequency vs a rec.
I'll definitely never 3b ultra polarised vs recs, as they underfold to 3bets, which is huge hit to my A2o 3b. Instead, I'd rather keep the SPR larger, with more postflop decision points, to hopefully beat them up there instead.
In the above comments you mentioned 99 SBvMP is a pure 3bet in your sim - in Wizard 500NL 3b or fold charts (attached below) 99 is a mix and TT is pure 3b - wondering is this caused by mostly rake structure or other factors? Thanks!
Likely rake! The lower the rake the more you can vpip. This is compounded by a slightly wider RFI range, too
The hand in the video was SB vs CO, not SB vs MP. There was a player sat out at the table which may have made it look like it was SB vs MP, which is probably the source of the confusion here.
matlittle I indeed misread CO for MP, and that's where my mistake comes in, as in my ranges, 99 is still a pure 3b SBvsMP.
With 6 tables, it was difficult to follow the action without having to rewind the video. I think 4 or 5 tables would be better imo. Great video otherwise!
Sure. Yeah, 6 tables was definitely at least one too many for recording purposes. I timed out a couple times IIRC
This hand I would have snap folded the flop, but you mentioned that this player might be spewy so you want to call it. My thoughts are that they will bet the turn way too often in general and especially after this flop sizing given that bigger bet sizings from recs are associated with higher turn follow through. If you pick up a heart and face a bet, you are going to want to shove, but then this player type will call the shove way too light as well which also decreases the EV of calling flop. Usually a player being spewy adds to our EV, but in this instance I'm struggling to see that being the case, unless you can convince me otherwise.
I believe this player is a very special case -- not your average spewwy rec. I am expecting literally ATC decently often, despite the big flop size. My plan is to station extremely hard across all streets, given the board is disconnected and quite 'safe'.
Ah right I see, if you plan to call down unimproved then I can see the logic! Must be a fun player to have at the table!
Yeah, he'll make it more interesting ;)
1:54
lmao damn it thats annoyin "well we beat 65, he can have 65. Were going to call
villain literally has 65cc
Luke your a wizard my guy haha
Lmao. Yeah kind've crazy set of events given the commentary :D
Definitely more luck than anything else imo :D
10:58
bvb here pre flop, do you generally min raise your entire 3 bet range bvb? i usually go like 10x in bb if sb goes 3x
Keep going ahead with your 10bb size, it's totally fine. This is deviation I've been doing for years, to 3b ultra small IP. It's not at all necessary.
I’m just wondering, I guess if we get 4 bet we can fold out our worse 3 betting hands for cheaper, also gives our opponent cheaper option to flat the 3 bet with more hands?
TRUEPOWER there's many reasons behind it, but I've always kept the strat to myself. Sorry!
It’s all good I respect it!
23:32
check cry river haha, do we ever consider bluffing this river, or are we just torching too much if we bet and get snap called
Yep, definitely a little bit of a cry spot otr
In reality, we should just have other hands to bluff with OTR.... Like J3dd, Q5dd, 54dd, etc. Q2ss seems to block IP's auto call-call-fold region
24:15
yeah vs the weird pot lead from villain just screams value, not sure what worse hands hed be doing this with
Usually I'm not folding here vs a rec, however, this guy is a giant nit rec, hence I made the exploit fold. Subjectively, I don't dish out the nit tag too generously, so when it comes into context postflop, I'm happy to live by it without too much concern
Lol you guys are a bunch of sickos, pretty sick shove, but pretty sick call man idk A10 just seems kinda spewey to call down here
Yes, ridic call from OOP. But hey, that's Poker!
37:49
lol seems sort of gross to shove this turn, we could already be dead with the board paired. river of dreams though love to see it.
As mentioned in the commentary, vs a standard villain this is quite a torch xjam ott. However, I had a relatively strong hunch this guy was way OOL
44:20 impressive call luke! i think villains sizing a bit odd, if he had a decent flush figure maybe hed bet bigger than what he did.
Thank you!
Tbh, I like his BXB 2/3p-3/4p sizing, as he's not arriving to the river w/ so many strong flushes given the turn X. His sizing seems appropriate with his mostly middling flush region.
1m43s- i prefer no facecam!
good vid
Noted ddinz
Thanks man, glad you enjoyed
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