ProView: Lucas Greenwood Reviews James Hudson at $1/$2 6-Max NLHE (part 2)

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ProView: Lucas Greenwood Reviews James Hudson at $1/$2 6-Max NLHE (part 2)

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Lucas Greenwood

POSTED Sep 19, 2013

Lucas continues his look at James Hudson's footage, providing an always valuable second set of eyes to scour for areas of weakness.

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tinyelvis58 11 years, 6 months ago

At the 5 min mark, you discuss 3b vs call AJo and determine calling is the best play.  Would you 3b this hand deep (200bb) or is flatting still your preferred vacuum play vs an opponent who isn't going to 4b light?  

Lucas Greenwood 11 years, 6 months ago

200bbs deep it is a much worse hand to 3bet IMO, the type of hands AJo typically makes are one pair of aces or one pair of jacks, both of these hands are medium strength bluff catchers which are not good hands to play big pots oop 200bbs deep. It also has terrible equity vs a 4bet value range meaning you need to almost always fold to a 5b. The hands I would 3bet deep are medium and high suited connectors, suited aces and sometimes small pairs, because they can make nutted hands, and provide balance to your 3bet range. AJ, KQ etc are typically played better as strong vbets/bluff catchers in singe raised pots.

tinyelvis58 11 years, 6 months ago

Makes a ton of sense but I do feel there is something to be said for taking the initiative in the hand and not allowing a late position opener play perfectly (hard for me to quantify).  When I flat all of my medium strength hands doesn't that turn my hand face up?

James Hudson 11 years, 6 months ago
When you're making decisions at the poker table you often have a bunch of factors that you take into consideration when acting. Often times, I think it's the prioritizing of these factors rather than the identification on them that's the most important with regards to making +ev decisions. Once you get deep I think the factors that Lucas mentioned often take precedence over stuff like having the initiative. Additionally, your hand shouldn't really be face up when calling with medium strength hands because you should be able to hit a variety of boards with your calling range. There will be some boards such as AKx where villain will hit harder than you but that's certainly not the end of the world.


stek 11 years, 5 months ago

2:00 TJs: I never have a callingsrange vs a 4b in this spot.Under which conditions do you like having a callingsrange, and whit whichrange?  

19:03  Q3s, why don’tyou lead the turn? His bu range is verry wide and he doesn’t cb the flop.Isn’tjust leading 100% +EV because he has so much air in his range? 

 33:50 Ako, Do you have a 3b range in this spot?If you don’t3b AK then our value range is only AA/KK isn’t it better to just flat all ourcontinue range? I think 3b/5b Ako is +EV without reads. If he 4b tight then weloose much if money goes in, but we win a lot by him just folding to our 3bet.If you gets it in lighter then we just value 5b Ako. How do you think aboutthis?

Joe Nelligan 11 years, 5 months ago

22:43    the over bet here seems bad for our whole range compared to other options. Sure you can balance it by shoving combo draws and value hands, but does that make it better than balancing by betting like 55-65 and calling vs a shove on the turn with both semi-bluffs and monsters? To me there are two major benefits to bet/calling turn here. 1) We can chose not to shove when we miss our draws on the river when checked to, I'd have to run the math with some perceived value of implied odds for villain but he shouldn't have odds to call with draws that have us beat unless he perceives our range to be heavily weighted towards semi-bluffs where he might have the best hand. 2) We don't want to over bet our monsters specifically the AK, KQ portion of our range because we want our opponents range to continue.        I don't see the benefits to a balanced shoving range and assuming this play gets our opponent off 10X more often than a bet I kind of hate it because our weak portion of our range is fairing somewhere between good and great against 10X (with the great being us having 10xhh ) and obviously our value hands also want 10x to put in as much money as possible. 

Jonathan Kohen 11 years, 5 months ago

The AT hand at mark 13:40, i think raise getting it in is definitely profitable, but i think calling and getting it in on good turns might be more profitable. 

You say there are bad rundowns, which is one reason for getting it in on the flop. But having the Ad allows tons of flexibility on the turn. The only really bad turns for us are non diamond jacks, queens, and kings for a total of 9 cards, turning up about 18% of the time. The other 4/5 of the time were going to see good turns, with position and the option of getting it in then. 

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