$1/$2 WSOP.com Live Play (part 1)
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this really has nothing 2 do with poker but im in nj and only play on wsop so personally would love 2 see videos on wsop if possible...ty
I was happy to see a reasonable amount of action on the site when I went to record these videos. I'll definitely look to play there again for future videos when I'm in the US.
Hi Phil, Firstly, got to tell you I love your name on this site lol! I do like this format a lot, your live play. Yes, it would be nice to have bigger stakes because that’s what I can relate to- I play live cash games- So I don’t know how similar the trends run. With that said, I would like to know how you feel about leading vs ck nuts oop (GTO wise); I feel like I’m betting pot a lot and getting too many folds. Idk, if this is because of me showing too much strength or just some very weak opponents in my last few sessions. Of course, there can be many other factors. But please give me an idea on how I can bet vs ck on certain boards textures for example, i,e, turn the nut flush: bet or ck? Thanks for the videos “Hey Guys”
Thanks Darren!
This is nearly impossible to answer because every situation is unique and would need to be broken down individually. It's different when you're in a HU pot, 3 way, 4 way. It depends what the board texture is, and who it favors based on the preflop action. Stack sizes come into play as well.
The best I can do, generally speaking, is say that it is important in many spots to mix it up, especially on earlier streets, when you're out of position with the nuts. When in position, you should bet the nuts very, very frequently. Especially on the river :)
I'd suggest you share a hand history that you were unsure of in our PLO forums and continue to do that if you feel you're learning from it. After reviewing several individual spots, you may get closer to the kind of answer you're looking for. GL!
Regarding stakes - check out phil's release of yesterday (also played on wsop.com)
$5/$10 6-Max PLO Live Session (Part 1)
Hey Phil, great video as always!
I have a question about the hand at the 34:30 mark. You bet pot after c-betting flop when the flush comes in on the turn. This is a situation I run into often and I find very interesting. When the PFR continues for full pot here I feel its safe to assume nut flush or nut blocker (Maybe King high flush or King blocker?). Given this, I feel the pot on turn pretty much means the pot on the river will come in almost always (Some board pairs changes this on different run outs then the one here obviously). Is it just me or does that in a way change your pot odds on the turn? Just got this strange idea while watching that we are pretty much calling 32+96 to win 256. I realize this is not the whole truth, but is this something that should change our frequencies at all?
Either way, in these spots I find myself calling sets (value bet board pairs) and preferring to call nut low flushes with 2 pair (bluff/value bet board pairs) and frequently just folding turn with hands sometimes even as strong as second nut flush with nothing else.
This is disregarding the part of our range with 3 hearts. When this is the case I usually just call down, but it happens fairly rarely so I don't feel it can be depended on for a huge part of our defending range.
Do you think my exploit way of playing this hand vs turn pot from PFR seems reasonable? And do you think just bombing pot in your shoes with say KJT2, 22 or Q72x could be an interesting counter exploit?
Part of the reason you will always be my favorite poker instructor is how much time and in depth thoughts you bring to even the smallest of hands while you play. I would love to hear a little about how you would approach this situation from both sides.
Thanks, SNGgrind15 and great question!
In theory, it's not correct to pot non-paired rivers 100% of the time you pot turns on a flush board because it gives your opponent no incentive to call once and fold river. Essentially, he can exploit you by only calling turn when he plans to call river. Which you can counter by never bluffing rivers, etc. etc. until you reach equilibrium.
In practice, I think that most players do follow through 90%+ on unpaired rivers in these spots, so you should look to exploit them by overfolding the turn and underfolding the river. It sounds like your adjustments are good ones.
You're absolutely right that it changes your pot odds. This is a concept that's very important in limit games, where you always have great immediate odds but the price gets worse when you look at how much you have to pay to realize your equity over all the streets.
In a scenario where you're positive the river bet is coming, you are paying 32+96 to win... I think the total pot ends up being 288 (-rake), which means you need about 44.5% equity to call. Even if they pot every unpaired river, this gets adjusted because sometimes the river pairs, so around 20% of the time you don't end up facing the river bet.
The counter exploit to your adjustment is to pot turns with a bunch of bluffs, as the makeup of your range often won't contain enough calls to make it -EV. Obviously, there will be adjustments back and forth once you see me pot the turn with Q998 no heart, so I shouldn't overdo it.
While the 2pr and set hands block your calling range, they also have a lot of equity, so I don't know that the blocker effect is enough to make them better bluffs than random single heart hands.
I do like potting top set every time against your strategy, though, as it's the perfect hand to force folds from better and calls from worse.
Very well explained. Poker is beautiful through your eyes.
:) thank you, hansglick!
Great video Phil, really like this format and "Exploitative real talk with Phil"
@31:05 can you expand on your thought process of shoving �� just calling here against a random with the nuts. I often find myself guessing here
Thanks! I decided that there was a reasonable chance he'd get it in with weak hands (which he ended up doing), so I wanted to avoid the chance for the board to change and cause me to lose action. This happens almost half the time (9 board pairs + 8 non-pairing flush cards + two 7o + two 6o).
I think that against a strong player, shoving is an okay option and I would mix it up, but against a player who has the potential to make some big mistakes (like x/r dry A2 and go with it) you almost have to fastplay. It all comes down to how likely you think an unknown in your games is to do things like that.
I use 2 sizings on the flop. One is pot size bet, other one depends on the bord, its from 1/3 to 2/3psb. When I have nuts (or monster hand), I split it in both ranges with off course heavily weigted towards PSB.
I don't need to have much nuts in smaller bet, in order to be unexploitable. Since the villain is OOP, he has to put a lot of money in to find out what I have. Also nuts on the flop is "rarely" nuts on the river.
And I add some weak stuff in PSB range (with some nut potential) - polarize the PSB range.
Since Im giving out this info, Phil, I'd like to know what do you think about it?:)
Thats rough strategy, I won't go into details since I think you understand the basics behind the strategy.
So what say you?
Generally speaking, this sounds like a good strategy, and I agree with your points about how much you need to mix strong hands into your flop 1/3 pot range.
I think it's likely that on many boards you'd be better off sticking with one sizing on the flop and waiting to split your range until the turn. I think that this can often work out better in theory, but more importantly, it's a lot easier to execute well.
As an elite member who's working on PLO after years of NL I love your essential videos and i think this format nails it. I live in vegas and play on WSOP.com with some regularity and it's perfect for video making because they keep the time limited before you dip into your time bank. Regular tables move much faster than Stars etc and it's easy to find balance between having time to explain things and not much dead air. Looking forward to part 2.
Thank you! Got some Elite WSOP.com videos coming too (one is already out). Enjoy!
I love this video but my absolute favorite line: He bet really fast which means he probably has nothing. But I guess it could go both ways.
Phil,
I think this format is great primarily because it is mobile friendly. I am willing to bet that many RIO subscribers watch videos on the go, and having clean action on a smartphone is excellent, especially in combination with the RIO offline app for subway during work commutes!
So congratulations and if it could be encouraged amongst RIO pros to have most play and explains on a « one table at a time » format (of course while playing multiple tables and switching), it would be so much easier to read, even on a big screen, and to focus on the main table!
:)
Always excellent to see you play, there’s so much to learn.
Will
Really great job as allways:) I am NL player but lately I play PLO too, it is fun! So I would have one question; I prefer to bet that turn on 45:20 most of the time in such a spot with such an opponent, (among other things the last chance to extract some value, the last spot to be called/payed from "this" player), is that move ok?
Hi Phil,
always such inspirational to see your thinking process, I always look now a video from you before starting a cash session online.
Stef
Hi Phil,
always such inspirational to see your thinking process, I always look now a video from you before starting a cash session online.
Stef
Hi Phil,
It’s always interesting to watch your vids. So you don’t auto top off? Manually doing it makes it much easier for record keeping, but don’t you think you might lose value in spots?
Thanks.
Hi Phil!
I founded in the beginning a hand that I would have played differently. You had KQ54 ds on the T95 flop and you decided to bet small. You explained that the flop fabours us so a small bet would do it.
I think that small bet is actully quite bad in that spot. We will not get mamy folds from much better hands and we open us for a check-raise.
We have two backdoor flushes so I guess that most turn cards will make the board even more favourable for our real hand or at least it will become to look more favourable for us. Like if the turn would be 7 which don't improve our hand our opponent might think that it did.
By delaying our bet/raise to turn I can see multiple benefits. It will look scatier to our opponent and we also can realize our equity better. We don't need protection to our pair of fives as most turn cards are more beneficial to us than to our villain.
Do you see any merit in that thinking and do you see that checking behind could also be good option there?
Hello Phil, just a little question, is JTT2 triple s always an open in Highjack ?
yes please do more videos on wsop.com
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