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Leakfinder: Apotheosis reviews SOxLID (part 3)

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POSTED Oct 26, 2017

Apoth provides the final installment of his current Pro View series touching on ICM concepts as a chip leader of the final table and eventually giving a summary of SOxLID's overall performance and leaks.

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Igor Campanha 7 years, 4 months ago

Great ft analysis Chris.
I have one question regarding ICM results on HRC:
@13:40: After locking the ranges, against a 21.6% jamming range, we should call 11.9%. We see that 44, A9o are breakeven and A9s is +0.01. So what´s is our threshold to start calling. I mean, A9s is a must call or we can let go some of these +0.01, +0.02?
Looking at his jamming range, KJs is +0.01. Should we take this too? Thanks!

Apoth 7 years, 4 months ago

I get asked this a lot by people. What you're referring to is edge passing.

W.r.t to these specific combos:
I think you're better off thinking of the HRC results as guidelines rather than a set of rules saying " Do this". In almost every case you're better off looking at the equilibrium and asking yourself some questions. (How does villain's play deviate from the prescribed play, how can I exploit this? How is the rest of the field playing, how can I exploit that?) In reality, the 0.01 hands aren't going to be 0.01 anymore. Either they'll be losing or winning fairly significantly based on the tendencies we see within the field.

Now, of course if KJs becomes +0.05 then it's possible sometime else takes it place at 0.01 (KTs let's say). And the question becomes do we take that edge. Honestly that depends on the field. If people are making big mistakes, you can pass on small edges. If people are making small mistakes then you can only give up the tiniest of edges.

If that's not the case, and everyone is playing so well that the equilibrium is in fact being played then I'm not prepared to up any edge and you should be taking 0.01 (in reality that's never going to be the case).

It's not easily quantifiable and there's a lot of error in your prediction (you're guessing at "how badly" everyone is playing and it's not an easy thing to do off such a small sample. In reality anything right around the equilibrium is going to be something you ought not to worry much about imo.

Solid 7 years, 4 months ago

I personally I use the HRC results at least with 0.2+. Calling a little more tighter than Nash recommend for 10bb call and a even more for 15bb. So far is giving me great results in middle stakes.

Murphy745 7 years, 4 months ago

Great review Apotheosis
At 3:48 you said he can't fold TT (which I'm on board with). But what do recommend he should do in this spot? Flatting doesn't seem great and I think jamming is out of the question? So I guess 4bet-fold is the play, and if so, what should the 4bet size be? Thanks

Apoth 7 years, 4 months ago

It's tough to say exactly. I don't think we do a lot of cold calling here but I'm honestly not 100% sure. Cold calling isn't something I really do but that doesn't necessarily make it bad. I think just ripping it in is completely reasonable if they get wide enough. Cold 4b/fold is probably also fine too vs certain strats.

Solid 7 years, 4 months ago

Yeah in game I thought in 4b but I wasn't sure if is the best idea. Middle stack open, middle stack 3b and I 4b. If they fold I don't win too much than 185k and mi position in FT dosent change almost nothing. Thats why I decided to fold. But nowadays I wouldn't fold but yeah really unsure if 4b/fold is the correct line.

Justis 7 years, 4 months ago

14:20 we are opening from sb 3x and other midstack in bb, after seeing showdown, you say: 'I think it's pretty clear 3bet pre'. Why do we wanna 3b midstack vs midstack AQo here? If opp it's not so ICM aware, and aggro or whatever, he can 4b and put us in horrible spot w AQo. Or we assume he is well ICM aware and we are folding to 4b shove, smaller 3b we can flat? Great series btw, I would like to see more of those type of series of midstack players review at least from time to time. Good job, Apo!

Apoth 7 years, 4 months ago

Your hand is just really strong and blocks a lot of villain's strong hands too. Denying equity is important and he doesn't get to shove here much at all

Solid 7 years, 4 months ago

This is the part of the video I really dislike my game. I leak find myself a couple of months ago and find this leading turn thing very weird and I haven't notice the logic problem 4b TT in the both spots. I have to work in that.

Couple of questions Chris:

1.@13:49 JJ in the SB. First I have been working in my SB strategy and I raise JJ, sometime I raise QQ and almost flat AA and KK but all of this depends on the villain on BB. I really like the way I play the hand but I really not huge fan of the river bet 149k/454k im thinking if betting around 200k something is the correct bet sizing?

1.1@13:49 I don't think is really a ez 3b with AQo in the bb, I don't mind him calling the raise. In this particular case I think is fine to 3b because he cover me but if the stacks were a little bit different (Me covering the guy) I would just call with AQo. I would like hear your thoughts.
2. @18:40 KQo what line do you think is the best with this hand. Call/call/raise river to protect weaker flushes?

3.@20:41 A9s against this exact opponent I really regret to raise flop but against some opponent I like to raise this flop because I do it sometimes with the naked Ac. Against population what line you think is the best and against good opponent is the same line?

Thanks Chris really appreciate your points of view and I gonna fix these leaks :)

Apoth 7 years, 4 months ago

JJ: It's fine to play a mixed strat in the SB here as long as you know what you're doing. I think river should be a block, you're not repping a boat here. River sizing looks fine.

AQ: I commented above.

KQo: You can do a bunch of things with this hand imo. As long as you put a raise in at some point it probably doesn't matter too much which street it happens on. Your raise (and river bet) need to be bigger though.

A9s: I addressed this in the video commentary I believe. I wouldn't raise flop because our hand is effectively the immortal nuts. If you are going to raise, your sizing is almost certainly too small.

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