$500 Zone: Wild Strategies on Display
Posted by Krzysztof Slaski
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"examines some of the crazy strategies that his opponents are adopting and how he's learned to counter them over the years"
Nice video, but what about this play was "crazy strategies" and what were your counters? I didn't hear mention of anything relating to this...
Like the video is called Wild Strategies on Display.... where? Am I missing something?
I dunno, suggesting that T8o is not an open in the SB but 73s is seems pretty wild to me.
1) 12 min with 99 (no heart) on the 855hh 3bet BTN vs BB. When opponent polarizes 3/4 cbet if you were to raise flop, would you just click it back? Guessing fold to 3bet if he continues. Not sure how often hands like KQs AQ continue when you click it back. Also as played if the turn was a brick 8552x Are you folding to a 2nd barrel or too high in your range? Opponent appears to be playing face up with his cbet sizing. Lastly I considered actually blocking turn for 10-20% pot on the 855A. Yes, he has a lot of AX in range, but a lot of AQ AJ just flat preflop. So gain protection from a ton of suited broadways. Any thoughts on block betting this ace turn?
2) Some of the opens as you mentioned T8o in the SB, K6s in the HJ, 22 in the CO. Some of these hands are 0EV or close to 0EV. Do you think it is better to continue raising these in an anonymous pool or just fold and try and get more hands per hour with higher quality hands?
3) What are you using for RNG? I have it on PT4, but obviously can't use it in zone.
4) Can you talk about what type of hourly and bb / 100 you expect in these games compared to regular tables?
5) Just a suggestion, do the same type of video, but if there are any interesting hands, leave 5-10 minutes at the end of the video to review what the opponent had. You will see Tariq do this in his videos on ignition and they are quite popular. A hand where you had 99 on the J75Kss, would be curious to know what he had there 3bet pot CO vs BTN vs a larger cbet size.
Hey RunItTw1ce ,
Edit: I have no idea what happened to the formatting of this post, and I cannot change it. Sorry about that, ignore the numbers and indents, your questions are answered in order
It would be a pretty small raise, although I don't think jamming will cost much ev with this hand. And I would never fold against a 3bet otf, our odds are way too good. I would also not be folding this on the a brick turn. We are very high up in our range here, and have no information on our opponent. Making large exploits based on super loose assumptions is very dangerous, but I agree that this probably isn't a super high ev spot if we face another large bet. I think betting turn would be an interesting option if our opponent uses a smaller bet size on the flop. With the sizing he used I think we are just beat too often on the A, unless you want to turn this into a bluff vs the TT-KK region and barrel it off, which I think can be an interesting option.
This is true in an optimal setting, and these bodog 500 games are far from it. I'm not confident in whether folding those hands will produce a higher hourly, but I am very confident they are +EV opens in this setting.
3.Yeah for bodog it's annoying, I just use this website: https://codepen.io/baliw/full/GJydZM it generates a random number every 5 seconds (and there is a second row for 2 decisions at once hehe)
I have a sample of roughly 100k hands in these games atm and an 8.3bb winrate which works out to $135/h(for the 2 tables). On reg tables my winrate is similar, with about 100 hands less per hour, but I also have 2 reg tables added when I grind, it's just hard to make a video that way.
I actually have review video in that style coming out about 3 videos after this. Keep the suggestions coming they are always appreciated!
Cheers
Thanks for sharing personal info. I had similar thoughts of reg tables 100NL - 200NL being 10-15bb\100. I assume zone would be 7-10bb\100 so hourly would still be higher.
Last question Krzysztof Slaski WHY DO THEY NOT HAVE 100NL ZONE?!?!?! Sorry for the caps just so annoying!!!! Would be great to play 100NL and 200NL zone 2 tables each. Personally depending if zone is running would be doing 3 reg tables and 1 zone table but 2 and 2 work out well.
Do you have sample lower stake zone or just 500NL?
Haha do they just jump from 50nl to 200? That makes no sense, no idea why they'd do that
I don't have any sample below 500 unfortunately.
Nice video!
It's great to see more hands in the zone pool rather than on reg tables
Nice vid as always.
When playing zone on bovada, it is standard practice for pros to identify weaker players based on their <100bb stacks. Naturally, we want to expand our opening range vs these players to play more hands with them. The problem I’m having is that from UTG, the combos I’ve been dipping into tend to be more of the “implied odds” starting hands. Stuff like A2s or 33, which do not perform well at a lower SPR.
Do you think the +EV of playing more hands vs weak players outweighs the -EV effect of opening such hands vs say, a 40bb stack? Should I be opening more offsuit broadways in these spots instead? Or would you suggest leaving my UTG range untouched vs shorter stacks & only focus on targeting them from late position or bvb situations.
Looking forward to hearing your response, thanks!
Hey TurduckenTamer ,
From my experience there is a pretty good chance that a stack that's significantly <100bb will be a weaker player on there. Of course this won't be true 100% of the time.
Your offsuit broadways will perform better vs the 40bb recreational players than hands like 33 as you say. That being said you'll often play multiway pots with these players on the table in which case your 33 or A2s become much more attractive. For me it's a situational thing as far as loosening opening ranges, and which hands to choose, because there are so many changing variables with these guys. I would need a couple weak players at the table to start opening A2s, 33 or JTo in MP2 though
Cheers.
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