I disagree with that, I don't necessarily think he's going to call the correct percentage of his range when facing a check/raise, and there's a decent chance I'm freerolling myself by putting in a raise knowing he can have all offsuit combos of better straights.
i definitely shouldn't have said definitely lol. I think you're right- if you think hes under calling you can better exploit him by bluffing- he may not need to see thin value bets to keep folding. :)
Can you please discuss this spot. I questioned if 3b > call while watching as well. If he he is the kind of villain that thinks "his flop check behind caps his range to weak Ax, so I'm going to x/r turn and barrel off river", then call > 3b. If he is mostly x/r hearts but then shuts down on rivers unless he hits, then I like 3b > call.
Can you talk about some of the considerations you made when deciding to 3b turn? I think in video you mention something like "there are lots of action killing cards", but there has to be more...
His sizing doesn't indicate that he's trying to take advantage of a capped range (and he'd be wrong to do so, since I have AA and KK here) so I felt like creating a 3bet range to protect my 2pair hands against some potentially thin value raises like Ax and some semibluffs. I don't expect him to put tons of pressure on me or bet very large on rivers once he decides to do this, so I think incentive to trap is lower. I'll have to bluff with some heart combos and potentially hands like JT/QT/QJ that decided to play this way.
My general approach to preflop bluffing is to use the hands just outside of my calling range. I don't think it's incredibly important which ones you pick, but you want some postflop playability because you'll get flatted these days. Blocker cards (Ax, Kx) are more useful against a polarized 3bet range, since he won't be able to flat as often and we want to remove combos of shoving hands like AK.
17,09 top right. Do you like your donk on turn? You said that you shouldn't donk turn as often vs him and on this bords it seems to me that you dont have range advantege ( he has all the strong hands, you cant have many 2 pairs, JTs i assume you could 3bet) so even vs avr player i would x.
Yeah this might be a board where I shouldn't be leading the ace turn, I still maintain leading ace turns on most board textures with my range but I may fold some Ax on this flop and he may bluff some...in addition to what you said about the top of our range he's probably still favored here.
8:30 on the 7AA7 turn that is a spot where I'm not leading small. Is 7 really an ideal leading spot for you? I feel it doesn't benefit your range that much since villain isn't likely checking behind 7x on that flop~
And 7x doesn't make a "nutted hand" either since Ax that he cbets makes top boat on the turn and he still has all Ax in his range while you have less Ax then he does because you 3bet some of your big Ax (you also never have quad aces)
I'm not sure if I said that in the best way, I'm still trying to fully understand this new concept.
The fact that 7x doesn't make us a large number of nut hands means it's definitely not a good idea to lead a big size, which is something I'd prefer to do in a different spot with a polar range. We also have fewer Ax than him because of the preflop action, so essentially I agree that this is a poor spot to lead with my range. At the time of the video I was using the generalized approach where we lead every pairing spot for simplicity, but I wouldn't lead this spot now.
I am very rusty at HUNL and sorry if the questions seems stupid.
You made 3 different 3b sizes in the video, is something to that worth to talk about or just the usual button clicking there ?
03:11 I see 99s as a usual 3b in HU games since it is on the top 5% of the hands but from what I see now, folding to 3b in position became quite rare for some guys (maybe PLO effect ?). How do you can adjust your post flop strategy to hands that have great value in CAP HU but in a 100-120bb deep games ?
I have seen some of your videos and some x/c-lead turns. What you think about your river decision on this situations ? When you lead on pairing 2nd/3rd pair turns probably very few rivers make your perceived range equity on the lead decrease a lot in HU pots and I have not seen some consistency (that is not a criticism, just because I did perceived your play probably) on your river decisions after leading turns, like this K7 on KQ5ssA.
I'm not sure which situations I changed my sizing during this video, but I probably just added a sb or two because we were slightly deeper stacked. It's also possible it was vs a different opponent where his fold to 3bet was too low/high and I adjusted a bit for that reason as well.
Could you explain this second question a bit more? I don't really understand what you're asking with regards to the hands that are strong in CAP HU.
I often treat river situations after a flop x/c and small turn lead (assuming we got called) as if the turn checked through. It's a very similar range distribution, villain should raise most hands that would have double barrelled against a check and should call most hands that would have checked against a check. He'll fold a few hands as well but it won't impact the river spot too much. With K7, had I checked the turn and he checked behind, it would probably be a close decision between betting for value and check/calling. I decided to check/call because the turn lead tends to make his range slightly tighter in practice, and that swings my close decision towards the more passive option in order to let him bluff some hands.
sorry kevin. english is not my first language but I will try my best.
If this question is too 'personal' and you think it is completely out of the video theme feel free to just ignore.
I usually play HU matches from 20bb-40bb effective so I was curious about some hands that are ez raise/jam like 99-TT on this games but in 100+bb games, how do you think a post flop strategy with hands that are so limited in terms of barrel opportunities in games that people don't fold much to 3bets. Is this the case to stop 3betting polarized and using mid parts of my continuing range ? How 99s should be played on your view in this case ?
I think an example would be better.
30bb effective, bb opens 2x and I have 99 on the SB, I 3b to 5bb, he calls. Flop comes Q86r.
100bb effective, bb opens 2.5x and I have 99 on the SB, I 3b to 9bb, he calls. Flop comes Q86r.
My intuition says to me that on the first case given your range advantage is a bet the majority of the time since there is little room for him to have a raising range that would put me in a tough spot with the my whole range. But 100bb I rather put this on my x/c range since I don't expect that our range advantage would be enough to make him fold a lot on this situation.
I did not thought that this x/c-lead on this way, like the turn checks through. In my mind, the turn lead was a bet that helps us to polarize our range in textures that it plays better polarized than depolarized and thinking this way some rivers that are blanks for both ranges should be played with a overbet strategy. Probably my view had a bias since I never fold to this turn leads and people very very often just x/f almost any river. For me looked a bit of 'let me introduce this beautiful play on my game' but people did not thought through the river decision when making these leads and they open the door to be exploited by not betting river. But what you said makes perfect sense.
Your example of 99 on Q86 being a hand that might be strong enough to cbet for 30bb and not for 100bb is quite good. You probably know that this is simply because with more money behind, we need to control the pot size with hands that are no longer interested in putting stacks in. 99 would be a fine stackoff in that spot with 25bb behind and 10bb in the pot, but not with 91bb behind and 18bb in the pot. This is why my ranges are often clearly polarized in a situation with larger stack to pot ratios.
Except that you block his most likely bluffing hands which can have a significant effect on the hands he calls you with that do not beat you. In this situation I think 8x with decent kicker would be a better candidate. I don't mean to nit pick but I think its a solid point to keep in mind when CBETing a non top pair+ hand for value (even at lower stack sizes). You really want his possible draws that he calls with to remain available b/c that is where a lot of your value comes from.
can you talk briefly about your reasoning for checking back bottom/mid pairs a fair bit? i suppose from playing live for so long where people are very passive i am trained to jus cb with these for equity denial against their over cards (the lower the pair the more i want to CB for that) and bc when they get aggressive we can generally be very confident in them having a better hand and fold easily. So, do you check back for this reason? bc you face aggressive opponents online more often, and if you were playing a very passive opponent would you agree we should just CB these hands? The other reason i was thinking you are checking it back is to keep your checking back range at least strong enough to peel turns and turn very strong hands as well. Or do you do that with weak top pairs as well? Thanks for the input!
The basic idea is controlling the size of the pot when we aren't interested in putting 3 streets of value in. We don't need to bet the flop to get the amount of value that a 2nd or 3rd pair hand is worth, so we can protect our checking range and also prevent ourselves from getting check/raised on the flop relentlessly by keeping our flop cbet range more polarized with a stronger value betting range. We can bet some of these hands when protection is quite important, but I don't often believe it's the case that it will outweigh the benefits of checking.
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Sound quality is really poor. Enjoyed the content though.
unreal how many times you guess their hand correctly, and I mean in all of your videos not just this one. take me under your wing!
appreciate your live vids the most, ty.
sound skips and its really annoying.. it was the same in your last video... :(
VEry nice vid and format i love it! Keep doing this :)
i like your approach and i think this is the best style of vid for HU. i feel like you should default to folding more on the turn and river.
haha just started watching- as if teem teem is playing- he is awfull. my prediction is you crush him
he value bets kk when you have 34- this shows you def should be raising
I disagree with that, I don't necessarily think he's going to call the correct percentage of his range when facing a check/raise, and there's a decent chance I'm freerolling myself by putting in a raise knowing he can have all offsuit combos of better straights.
i definitely shouldn't have said definitely lol. I think you're right- if you think hes under calling you can better exploit him by bluffing- he may not need to see thin value bets to keep folding. :)
nice vid- theres deff some fold and call spots i would have played differently. You seemed quite curious in this sesh
8.30 in with Ac8c - What hands would you bluff 3bet on the turn?
Can you please discuss this spot. I questioned if 3b > call while watching as well. If he he is the kind of villain that thinks "his flop check behind caps his range to weak Ax, so I'm going to x/r turn and barrel off river", then call > 3b. If he is mostly x/r hearts but then shuts down on rivers unless he hits, then I like 3b > call.
Can you talk about some of the considerations you made when deciding to 3b turn? I think in video you mention something like "there are lots of action killing cards", but there has to be more...
His sizing doesn't indicate that he's trying to take advantage of a capped range (and he'd be wrong to do so, since I have AA and KK here) so I felt like creating a 3bet range to protect my 2pair hands against some potentially thin value raises like Ax and some semibluffs. I don't expect him to put tons of pressure on me or bet very large on rivers once he decides to do this, so I think incentive to trap is lower. I'll have to bluff with some heart combos and potentially hands like JT/QT/QJ that decided to play this way.
22.00 - what kind of hands wld u 4b bluff with?
My general approach to preflop bluffing is to use the hands just outside of my calling range. I don't think it's incredibly important which ones you pick, but you want some postflop playability because you'll get flatted these days. Blocker cards (Ax, Kx) are more useful against a polarized 3bet range, since he won't be able to flat as often and we want to remove combos of shoving hands like AK.
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17,09 top right. Do you like your donk on turn? You said that you shouldn't donk turn as often vs him and on this bords it seems to me that you dont have range advantege ( he has all the strong hands, you cant have many 2 pairs, JTs i assume you could 3bet) so even vs avr player i would x.
Yeah this might be a board where I shouldn't be leading the ace turn, I still maintain leading ace turns on most board textures with my range but I may fold some Ax on this flop and he may bluff some...in addition to what you said about the top of our range he's probably still favored here.
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8:30 on the 7AA7 turn that is a spot where I'm not leading small. Is 7 really an ideal leading spot for you? I feel it doesn't benefit your range that much since villain isn't likely checking behind 7x on that flop~
And 7x doesn't make a "nutted hand" either since Ax that he cbets makes top boat on the turn and he still has all Ax in his range while you have less Ax then he does because you 3bet some of your big Ax (you also never have quad aces)
I'm not sure if I said that in the best way, I'm still trying to fully understand this new concept.
The fact that 7x doesn't make us a large number of nut hands means it's definitely not a good idea to lead a big size, which is something I'd prefer to do in a different spot with a polar range. We also have fewer Ax than him because of the preflop action, so essentially I agree that this is a poor spot to lead with my range. At the time of the video I was using the generalized approach where we lead every pairing spot for simplicity, but I wouldn't lead this spot now.
I am very rusty at HUNL and sorry if the questions seems stupid.
You made 3 different 3b sizes in the video, is something to that worth to talk about or just the usual button clicking there ?
03:11 I see 99s as a usual 3b in HU games since it is on the top 5% of the hands but from what I see now, folding to 3b in position became quite rare for some guys (maybe PLO effect ?). How do you can adjust your post flop strategy to hands that have great value in CAP HU but in a 100-120bb deep games ?
I have seen some of your videos and some x/c-lead turns. What you think about your river decision on this situations ? When you lead on pairing 2nd/3rd pair turns probably very few rivers make your perceived range equity on the lead decrease a lot in HU pots and I have not seen some consistency (that is not a criticism, just because I did perceived your play probably) on your river decisions after leading turns, like this K7 on KQ5ssA.
Thank for another great video here.
I'm not sure which situations I changed my sizing during this video, but I probably just added a sb or two because we were slightly deeper stacked. It's also possible it was vs a different opponent where his fold to 3bet was too low/high and I adjusted a bit for that reason as well.
Could you explain this second question a bit more? I don't really understand what you're asking with regards to the hands that are strong in CAP HU.
I often treat river situations after a flop x/c and small turn lead (assuming we got called) as if the turn checked through. It's a very similar range distribution, villain should raise most hands that would have double barrelled against a check and should call most hands that would have checked against a check. He'll fold a few hands as well but it won't impact the river spot too much. With K7, had I checked the turn and he checked behind, it would probably be a close decision between betting for value and check/calling. I decided to check/call because the turn lead tends to make his range slightly tighter in practice, and that swings my close decision towards the more passive option in order to let him bluff some hands.
sorry kevin. english is not my first language but I will try my best.
If this question is too 'personal' and you think it is completely out of the video theme feel free to just ignore.
I usually play HU matches from 20bb-40bb effective so I was curious about some hands that are ez raise/jam like 99-TT on this games but in 100+bb games, how do you think a post flop strategy with hands that are so limited in terms of barrel opportunities in games that people don't fold much to 3bets. Is this the case to stop 3betting polarized and using mid parts of my continuing range ? How 99s should be played on your view in this case ?
I think an example would be better.
30bb effective, bb opens 2x and I have 99 on the SB, I 3b to 5bb, he calls. Flop comes Q86r.
100bb effective, bb opens 2.5x and I have 99 on the SB, I 3b to 9bb, he calls. Flop comes Q86r.
My intuition says to me that on the first case given your range advantage is a bet the majority of the time since there is little room for him to have a raising range that would put me in a tough spot with the my whole range. But 100bb I rather put this on my x/c range since I don't expect that our range advantage would be enough to make him fold a lot on this situation.
I hope you understand this time (:
I did not thought that this x/c-lead on this way, like the turn checks through. In my mind, the turn lead was a bet that helps us to polarize our range in textures that it plays better polarized than depolarized and thinking this way some rivers that are blanks for both ranges should be played with a overbet strategy. Probably my view had a bias since I never fold to this turn leads and people very very often just x/f almost any river. For me looked a bit of 'let me introduce this beautiful play on my game' but people did not thought through the river decision when making these leads and they open the door to be exploited by not betting river. But what you said makes perfect sense.
Your example of 99 on Q86 being a hand that might be strong enough to cbet for 30bb and not for 100bb is quite good. You probably know that this is simply because with more money behind, we need to control the pot size with hands that are no longer interested in putting stacks in. 99 would be a fine stackoff in that spot with 25bb behind and 10bb in the pot, but not with 91bb behind and 18bb in the pot. This is why my ranges are often clearly polarized in a situation with larger stack to pot ratios.
Kevin,
re: 99 cbet with smaller stack sizes...
Except that you block his most likely bluffing hands which can have a significant effect on the hands he calls you with that do not beat you. In this situation I think 8x with decent kicker would be a better candidate. I don't mean to nit pick but I think its a solid point to keep in mind when CBETing a non top pair+ hand for value (even at lower stack sizes). You really want his possible draws that he calls with to remain available b/c that is where a lot of your value comes from.
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can you talk briefly about your reasoning for checking back bottom/mid pairs a fair bit? i suppose from playing live for so long where people are very passive i am trained to jus cb with these for equity denial against their over cards (the lower the pair the more i want to CB for that) and bc when they get aggressive we can generally be very confident in them having a better hand and fold easily. So, do you check back for this reason? bc you face aggressive opponents online more often, and if you were playing a very passive opponent would you agree we should just CB these hands? The other reason i was thinking you are checking it back is to keep your checking back range at least strong enough to peel turns and turn very strong hands as well. Or do you do that with weak top pairs as well? Thanks for the input!
The basic idea is controlling the size of the pot when we aren't interested in putting 3 streets of value in. We don't need to bet the flop to get the amount of value that a 2nd or 3rd pair hand is worth, so we can protect our checking range and also prevent ourselves from getting check/raised on the flop relentlessly by keeping our flop cbet range more polarized with a stronger value betting range. We can bet some of these hands when protection is quite important, but I don't often believe it's the case that it will outweigh the benefits of checking.
Elegantly put.
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