Legends Showdown Preparation: What Makes up a Good Strategy?
Posted by Kevin Rabichow
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Wow. Really good shit! 10/10. Could you maybe do an analysis of the Polk vs Negraneu HU match? Would be fun.
Kevin did some commentary on it a few days ago, you can probably find the vod trough twitter if you're interested
Yeah, I did commentary with CeeGee a little while ago, and plan to be on the Upswing channel sometime in the next couple of weeks as well, will post about it on Twitter when I know more!
I have been trying to have a more solidified base structure to a ton of parts of my strategy and was having some difficulty with efficiently processing the huge amount of info that I have been getting from sims so this video had great timing for me.
The video was great and insightful and am really looking forward to any videos where you do bulk work on turns/rivers.
Glad you found this helpful! I'll make a note to do another part for turns+rivers.
Do you prefer 3 betting SCs over wheel aces? In six max I hear 3 betting SCs are supposed to be low frequency play, but in your solve or HU play they seem to be higher frequency 3bet. Can you explain why AXs is 3 betting more often in programs like snowie, but less often in other programs like Monker? Also why SCs are 3 betting more often in HU and very low frequency in Six max? Thank you in advance (TIA) for answering this question.
EXAMPLE
BTN opens $5 (2.5BB), sb folds, and hero has 65s in the BB, for a PSB (3bet) ($16 / 8BB) Snowie is showing -0.04 EV. For a 2x pot $27 (13.5bb) Snowie is showing +0.36 EV. Now with A5s PSB +0.82 EV and 2x pot 0.78 EV.
I don't understand how these SCs are negative EV in six max but +EV HU. I would think the robust equity of these SCs would still be profitable both in HU and six max. I know in "Applications of No-Limit Hold'em by Janda he heavily prefers SCs of AXs, but I think he came out after he mentioned he was wrong. It seems very strange to me that for a 3.5x raise the SCs are losing money and for a 5x raise they are making money. I would think having a higher SPR would benefit SCs a bit more for multiple barrels postflop.
Thanks to anyone else who wishes to answer this as well. Trying to understand the "why" and not just copy the solver.
I think the small sizing (8bb) you suggested is simply not the right size to use, because it doesn't generate enough folds and leaves us OOP against a wide range. A5s is a better hand of course, with more equity and better blockers, so it can show positive EV here even when the sizing was not good for the full range. I've tested 3bet sizing a lot in HU and found that 4.5-5x against a 2.5x open maximized the EV of the OOP player's strategy.
As for my preference, I'm mostly following the solver recommendations for how often to 3bet each type of hand. I'd suspect 65s is doing fine HU because of how different button opening ranges are in these two scenarios. In a 6max setting, this hand performs better if it generates a lot of preflop folds, and is a good combo for bluffing/realizing equity against a tighter range (it can call 4bet in both scenarios).
For reference: in my PF 6max solution, the BTN opens 41.5% and when faced with a 3bet is going to call 15.5% and 4bet 4.5%. In my HU solution, the BTN opens 79% and when faced with a 3bet calls 23% and 4bets 6.5%.
Awesome video! The aggregated report feature seems really cool. I have been struggling with deciding cbet sizing in HU 3 bet pots. I have seen some sims which use (115% and 33%) and split the range and some using (33% and 66%). How do I decide way which way to go on different boards? Is there any video here on RIO I can refer regarding the same?
I discussed my method for choosing bet size options in a video series here: https://www.runitonce.com/poker-training/videos/bet-sizing-theory-p1/
I think the 3rd part is most likely to address your question!
great stuff!
The 4bet pot sim you ran it seems you gave yourself a tight range for calling the 4bet. You are folding all of your kqo, Ajo, j10s,q10s to the 4bet. Seems we are folding a large portion of our value 3bets in our 22% 3bet range.
I have you defending 8% out of our 22% range with your strategy. Folding 14/22. Seems high? Any thoughts?
Yeah, this was a surprising result from an old preflop sim with Pio I ran with a small flop subset and somewhat large 3bet sizing, so I'm not 100% sure of its accuracy. I don't play this exact range in-game, but I don't think any of those hands perform well vs 4bet so it's likely a small EV loss at most. Tools like simple preflop should give a very good result for this spot in a relatively short period of time if you want to test the defending range vs the typical 4bet size you're seeing.
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