$2,500 WSOP Online: 4 Players Remain
Posted by Kevin Rabichow
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Great explanations on everything. Looking forward to hu.
2:30 if river bricked and he checked do you feel you have showdown eq? Even if you don't, I think a river bet would be a tough sell.
24:45 if you get called on turn can you fire a river heart or is that overbluffing in general or because of icm?
36:00 you talk about limp calling the 88 rather than limp 3bet, limp jam or open raising in order to keep pads bluffs in and make the hand easier to deal with. You also talk about the preceding 99 hand where you just flat a raise from the bb with 99. However, in order to realize eq you are going to have to bluff catch at some freq and that means calling down vs a good agg player in spots where the board might get really crappy. That seems almost, if not more, high variance than just being aggressive pre. Difficult decision.
Thanks!
2:30 - I'd almost certainly bluff KT/QJ/QT, not sure about KJ+. I suspect you're not checking back enough strong hands on this texture if you feel this would be a low credibility bluff. Overpairs/2pr are not thrilled to fastplay with ICM pressure in place
24:45 - bluffing heart rivers seems pretty reasonable, never bluffing blanks for sure. What is your concern with ICM in regard to this?
36 - I could see how this would feel riskier / higher variance, but it's all about keeping average pot size small. If we put our whole stack in preflop, we're maximizing the chance of our stack being lost. Playing small ball preflop leads to fewer allin confrontations.
Great video!
14:22 is it ok to flat T9s in sb vs pads if button had folded
Hmm it looked close to me when you asked, but some reference sims on PF Academy are never flatting the SB in this type of stack setup, even as the shortest stack. Looking at 3 handed even with less ICM impact there's only like 2% calls off 30bb in the SB and it's much stronger hands like A9s-AJs/KQs/88
Thanks Kevin for the great responses.
2:30 my reasoning for the river bluff not getting through if he chks to you and you fire is that, at least at the smaller stakes that I play, you will get looked up really often. The turn went chk chk and vs your turn chk I would not put many straights in your rng especially with the flush draw out and the fact that that board hits the blinds flop leading rng so well that you would want to bet turn often with your straights to get value now before the board gets worse on the river. With the river completing the straight, unless you massively overbet, I think the blind looks you up a lot and calls for the chop.
24:45 I think I get confused with how icm affects post flop play. In the few icm post flop sims I have seen (not this hand specifically) it seems like we massively tighten up with calls, bets and raises. I guess I am not sure if our bluffing rng tightens up a lot in order to preserve our stack, or do we massively increase aggression since we are in a pot with a similar stack size to pressure him? I find post flop icm adjustments to be difficult.
2:30 - I just realized I misremembered flop action as check/check, but my previous comment is still basically the same. That said, we don't need to have straights to bet river - any overpair/2pr is good enough to value bet on a blank. I am curious what hands you fear being called by so frequently if we bet .5-1 pot, as we're only trying to fold out 4th pair or ace high, perhaps some 2nd/3rd pair combos. It's possible you are expecting an unnecessarily strong hand to fold.
24:45 - Understood, it's a complicated concept. We will play more polar in general, because we don't want to value bet as thinly. This means we can still bluff, but not as often as if we were value betting thinner.
2:30 I think you are right and i am giving too much credit to my opponents rng. I get caught up often in worrying I over cap my rng and will be exploited by my opponents when I take a passive action on a given street such as the turn chk in this hand.
Hey!
6:05 What do u think of folding turn right away with A3? Might sounds tight, u didnt consider it but pio icm sim shows close to 0 ev with around 50/50 call/fold. If pads realize u dont lead 9x there, then its bad card for him, u dont defend all offsuit 7x, he should choose bluffs which unblocks your offsuit 7x region and str8 draws like JT or T8, so something like 34s 53s 45s should be choose instead of K8o type of hands (and with A3 we block some). Another factor is like u said Pads like to follow through spicy rivers + we dont improve on 3x.
Ya good suggestion - I think with A8/A6 I would have thought to fold turn right away, but with no bad blocker in my hand I didn't consider it. I assume in pio all bad kickers are mixing fold? Perhaps vs pads range construction A8 isn't actually worse than A3 because of less predictable bluff hand selection. I'm a big fan of folding earlier in the hand under ICM if it's even close, so this seems like a good adjustment to me.
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