I think players leave chips behind so if someone has a hand like 66 and would call their all in is now in a weird spot if they want to 3bet+ isolate them so they do it more so for protection even though its smaller size. Like if someone has 8bb and they raise to 6bb, are you going to iso raise a hand like ATo or KJo to 11bb? Where if they shove maybe you flat 8bb and then BB also flats so they have less protection.
Maybe if you have 88 and flop comes KQJ, now they shove their final 3-4BB they left behind its a bit weird right? I mean it will only be 1/3 pot or so, but left calling their remaining shove with 3rd or 4th pair quite often or if you flatted a hand like AsJh and now flop comes K94ddd its a bit weird right? Kevin Rabichow
On the JTo hand that you reviewed at the end did you figure out what you are supposed to do postflop in terms of XC, donk 1bb, or donk shove? Preflop the sim showed fold preflop with a lot of cuspy hands. I think the 1bb lead or 1\4 pot lead might be best.
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BvB l/Iso/3b I have looked at 2 pre ICM sims I have run myself and solver obv uses a very narrow range for this play (spots I looked at were north of 30BB, so I doubt it would use it much if any at this stack size). You were asking yourself how to prevent SB from running over our isos with these small 3bets - solver just takes a small frequency of trash (as BB) and jams...
I also assume that the distribution of air we raise in the first place looks different. I think this is the clever part of SBs play here because many people will raise BB with a range that assumes they never face this action.
6:30 you open k3 and you talk about opening ax and kx blocker type hands. If you were still the chip leader but had 45bb instead, are you still looking to open this wide?
19:40 you talked about pros waiting for hands vs aggressive recs rather than being aggressive themselves. That's an interesting discussion. Do you feel pros give too much credit to the recs rngs?
6:30 - not quite so wide, but still the same blocker-based mentality
19:40 - I'm not sure what you mean by the recs rngs? I think this is mostly the result of some inaccurate ideas that people have often stated around how to best beat a fish.
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I think players leave chips behind so if someone has a hand like 66 and would call their all in is now in a weird spot if they want to 3bet+ isolate them so they do it more so for protection even though its smaller size. Like if someone has 8bb and they raise to 6bb, are you going to iso raise a hand like ATo or KJo to 11bb? Where if they shove maybe you flat 8bb and then BB also flats so they have less protection.
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I haven't considered this reason, but it seems flawed to me. We can always flat with the cheaper price, there's no obligation to iso?
Maybe if you have 88 and flop comes KQJ, now they shove their final 3-4BB they left behind its a bit weird right? I mean it will only be 1/3 pot or so, but left calling their remaining shove with 3rd or 4th pair quite often or if you flatted a hand like AsJh and now flop comes K94ddd its a bit weird right? Kevin Rabichow
I agree these are difficult flop decisions RunItTw1ce, but I don't believe that's a reason to change our preflop decision.
On the JTo hand that you reviewed at the end did you figure out what you are supposed to do postflop in terms of XC, donk 1bb, or donk shove? Preflop the sim showed fold preflop with a lot of cuspy hands. I think the 1bb lead or 1\4 pot lead might be best.
I haven't tested this yet, but I'm curious as well!
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BvB l/Iso/3b I have looked at 2 pre ICM sims I have run myself and solver obv uses a very narrow range for this play (spots I looked at were north of 30BB, so I doubt it would use it much if any at this stack size). You were asking yourself how to prevent SB from running over our isos with these small 3bets - solver just takes a small frequency of trash (as BB) and jams...
I also assume that the distribution of air we raise in the first place looks different. I think this is the clever part of SBs play here because many people will raise BB with a range that assumes they never face this action.
Congrats on the deep run in the wsop hu!
6:30 you open k3 and you talk about opening ax and kx blocker type hands. If you were still the chip leader but had 45bb instead, are you still looking to open this wide?
19:40 you talked about pros waiting for hands vs aggressive recs rather than being aggressive themselves. That's an interesting discussion. Do you feel pros give too much credit to the recs rngs?
Thanks!
6:30 - not quite so wide, but still the same blocker-based mentality
19:40 - I'm not sure what you mean by the recs rngs? I think this is mostly the result of some inaccurate ideas that people have often stated around how to best beat a fish.
First time I’ve seen anyone do solver work regarding pseudo jams at FTs! Love it, thanks for the series Kevin
Do they feel that the recs rng is too value heavy is what I meant.
I just saw this and I'm pretty sure you mean "range" but at first I read it as "RNG" (random number generator) and Kevin easily could have also
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