great video. dont understand whats so "interesting" and nonstandard at 15min with the AK on 953kj.... the Q6s is one that I may play in a similar manner as him. what would you do differently in his spot?
I would say interesting more than nonstandard, but I think I laid out a lot of my thoughts on the way the hand should play out in the video. His sizing choice is interesting because it gives me an easy counter strategy (continue river with Kx+) that I'm not entirely sure he was hoping for me to use. The choice of bluff on turn+river is interesting because he has a fairly strong hand to bluff turn with and then follows through a hand that I'd imagine has somewhat poor (but not awful) success rate on the river because of its blockers. It tells me a few things about how he plays and I think there's quite a lot more information to take away from this play than some people might first think.
As for the way I'd play the hand, I often check the turn. If I don't check the turn I think I'd check river but vs some people you can probably bluff here. I'd also be leading much smaller than pot on turn (maybe 60% pot?) because Kx is a big part of my value range here and pot/potting is a pretty awful play by K4 imo.
Really good vid as always. Just wanted to confirm that villain is a good 6max player as you said, he's the best danish 6 max cash player. He used to play mainly on eurosites but recently switch to pokerstars, which is why you haven't seen him. He plays 10/20 to 25/50 as well as a lot of the live tours on the EPT.
Yoo kevin nice video. Thought last hand was pretty interesting. With QTdd vs AsKc on Kd-Th-4c-Qh-Ks
You said your value range ott for going 2 streets is any hand better then AA. And that you want to play for stacks against his AK/KJ/AA range on blank rivers. Makes sense! You sized it (72pct/1.07pct ) so you are shoving over pot otr not sure if that was a slight bet sizing error? fwiw, 89% every street to get stacks ai by river but I guess when checked to in 3b pots ott usually want to size down.
Which flop floats become attractive bluffing candidates to add to our bluff range ott? I cant seem to think of many.
Initially I thought for heckllen it might be an interesting spot for him to lead river but quickly dismissed that idea. Besides you having QT there (which you probably wouldn't call a river shove with anyway) it makes little sense (assuming you are xb turn with KJ -- which you said you would). He should have some 4x HH combos and maaybe JJ that may want to consider turning themselves into a bluff but I don't think its even worth considering you have plenty of hands that can beat trips?
Yeah my turn sizing there was probably just out of laziness/misestimating remaining stacks. I don't really want to give cheap equity here with the value range I'm choosing and I do think he checks pretty strong sometimes so using even sizing makes more sense I think.
I think a turn bluff with any A high floats make sense, and definitely A4. I think one of our Tx hands will probably want to bluff as well but it's not immediately obvious to me which one would be best (among AT, JT, T9 but I think we want to just pick one of these ranks).
Good assessment of the possibility of leading, he shouldn't treat Kx much differently than a bluffcatcher because I have almost every nut hand here and only QT suffers on this card.
Could you tell us how high you rank your game (sth like top 10 NL HU players)? And what do you thinks others are doing better ( i understand that it could be a silly question but i still wanna ask :)
Imo you are the best video producer nowadays btw. Cong
@ minute 20: I find I struggle in these flop spots with K high and other similar strength hands. I know I need to defend more hands like this, but coming from a 6max background, I find myself lost here when I don't at least have a BDFD to go with my hand. What is your plan for the hand and what information do you consider when deciding whether to turn a hand like this into a bluff on the river or to show down?
Sorry, I'm not sure which hand you're referring to. Perhaps you misread the action on the hand where I checked down K high and no action went in? If I'm wrong here let me know and I can discuss the spot.
I got one question about your assumptions about 6max players. I reconized you talked about cbetting mid-&bottompairs on low boards is quite common for 6max players. If I remember correctly you said the same thing in your series vs Educapoker. I think the mainreason for this "leak" is mostly because of tighter bb defend ranges in SH. There are less top/midpairkombos in villainsrange on boards like 642ss and denying EQ vs overcards gets more priority, when deciding to cbet or chb. Do you agree with my assumptions? And can you explain a bit more, why you think this is a bad play in HU NL and how your adjustments look like to this strategy?
Hah I don't actually recall having this view of 6max regs, but maybe it came up in a specific situation where it made sense at the time. Either way I do think your point about preflop ranges is a good one. Protecting our equity is valuable on these boards with all pairs, especially when overpairs to the board tend to 3bet preflop and low cards that might pair this board will fold. That said, there's an important balance between getting value on this street and keeping our checking range reasonably strong. Even if we view OOPs range as weak on this flop, a lot of turns will bring him top pair strength hands and we have to be prepared for aggression on later streets. I think most good players will bet their weaker pairs on this flop at a mixed frequency for these reasons.
Adjustments become interesting based on what frequency villain decides to use here - a low cbet frequency with mid-bottom pair doesn't really require an adjustment from OOP other than to be confident in realizing equity from OOP and perhaps defending wider in the BB because of that. A high cbet frequency with mid-bottom pair will encourage me to x/r these boards at a higher frequency and also float two overcards less often because a river probe bluff will be less successful against that range.
Thanks for your answer. Seems like I missunderstood your assumptions about 6max players ;-) It would be nice if you can go into more detail in your next vids, about how you decide which kombos of mid- &bottompairs you like to cbet on low boards. for example you chb with BFD and cbet without or you decide on your kicker how to play the hand.
Thanks in advance;)
The AK hand where villain had the Q6ss on the 359rKssJo- you mention that you can glean quite a bit of useful information about his game based on this hand- what types of things would that be?
-we know that he chose the full pot turn and river bet size when the FD missed and he had the FD which could mean that he doesnt put that much stock into being extremely particular in the blockers he chooses to bluff river with?
-Also the turn and river full pot combo is a bit less useful for bluffing the parts of your range that will actually fold as opposed to one thats less than pot on the turn (to not isolate the stronger parts of your range) and then follows up with full pot on the river (or larger even?)? If he was to pot turn and get to the river with this hand and want to bluff (and rep better than Kx) should he overbet then?
-near the end when you had the QT against his AK he 3b and board was KTxQhh and he bet flop checked turn- isnt his hand worth a barrel for value? dont you have alot of hands that will check back but will call a bet like pair + draws? and he could then bet the river for value on bricks? Or is this board strong enough for OOP 3b here that his value range 3 barrel should be two pair +? I find myself betting this spot alot as him- but perhaps this is a mistake
In the AK hand I think there are a somewhat large number of bluffs he could be firing here that are weaker than Q high and also don't have a FD unless I'm making some kind of misestimate of his preflop range. With that in mind I think seeing him fire this will tell me he's not considering those weaker parts of his range, perhaps because he isn't used to having these hands preflop (like 68o or 62s). It also tells me he's likely not checking many FDs on the turn which will impact his x/c range against delayed cbets. The sizing was the other part of this which I explained in another comment and you summed it up nicely.
The AK hand is not too unusual but perhaps not the play I'd prefer with his hand. I think he's acknowledging that the runout will often make AK a two street hand on this board, so he's protecting his checking range and checking a bit stronger than usual. I think a lot of hands he wants to get that 2nd street from are best suited for the turn and he runs almost no risk of getting shoved on, but he may not view it the same way.
Cliff:
- Against people who is aware of capped hand ranges, set up some creative trap to make them bet big when your range is uncapped.
- When you bluff rising, its ideal to have a blockers to block top of their value range
- Pay attention to what people are bluffing with, it gives an insight into their combo selection and their skill set.
Very good video. A lot of interesting spots. Glad to see you played very well.
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great video. dont understand whats so "interesting" and nonstandard at 15min with the AK on 953kj.... the Q6s is one that I may play in a similar manner as him. what would you do differently in his spot?
Thanks!
I would say interesting more than nonstandard, but I think I laid out a lot of my thoughts on the way the hand should play out in the video. His sizing choice is interesting because it gives me an easy counter strategy (continue river with Kx+) that I'm not entirely sure he was hoping for me to use. The choice of bluff on turn+river is interesting because he has a fairly strong hand to bluff turn with and then follows through a hand that I'd imagine has somewhat poor (but not awful) success rate on the river because of its blockers. It tells me a few things about how he plays and I think there's quite a lot more information to take away from this play than some people might first think.
As for the way I'd play the hand, I often check the turn. If I don't check the turn I think I'd check river but vs some people you can probably bluff here. I'd also be leading much smaller than pot on turn (maybe 60% pot?) because Kx is a big part of my value range here and pot/potting is a pretty awful play by K4 imo.
Really good vid as always. Just wanted to confirm that villain is a good 6max player as you said, he's the best danish 6 max cash player. He used to play mainly on eurosites but recently switch to pokerstars, which is why you haven't seen him. He plays 10/20 to 25/50 as well as a lot of the live tours on the EPT.
Yoo kevin nice video. Thought last hand was pretty interesting. With QTdd vs AsKc on Kd-Th-4c-Qh-Ks
You said your value range ott for going 2 streets is any hand better then AA. And that you want to play for stacks against his AK/KJ/AA range on blank rivers. Makes sense! You sized it (72pct/1.07pct ) so you are shoving over pot otr not sure if that was a slight bet sizing error? fwiw, 89% every street to get stacks ai by river but I guess when checked to in 3b pots ott usually want to size down.
Which flop floats become attractive bluffing candidates to add to our bluff range ott? I cant seem to think of many.
Initially I thought for heckllen it might be an interesting spot for him to lead river but quickly dismissed that idea. Besides you having QT there (which you probably wouldn't call a river shove with anyway) it makes little sense (assuming you are xb turn with KJ -- which you said you would). He should have some 4x HH combos and maaybe JJ that may want to consider turning themselves into a bluff but I don't think its even worth considering you have plenty of hands that can beat trips?
Yeah my turn sizing there was probably just out of laziness/misestimating remaining stacks. I don't really want to give cheap equity here with the value range I'm choosing and I do think he checks pretty strong sometimes so using even sizing makes more sense I think.
I think a turn bluff with any A high floats make sense, and definitely A4. I think one of our Tx hands will probably want to bluff as well but it's not immediately obvious to me which one would be best (among AT, JT, T9 but I think we want to just pick one of these ranks).
Good assessment of the possibility of leading, he shouldn't treat Kx much differently than a bluffcatcher because I have almost every nut hand here and only QT suffers on this card.
Could you tell us how high you rank your game (sth like top 10 NL HU players)? And what do you thinks others are doing better ( i understand that it could be a silly question but i still wanna ask :)
Imo you are the best video producer nowadays btw. Cong
Kevin this is really great what you are doing, best producer for me also. Keep up the good work, looking forward to future videos! thanks
This is awesome.
@ minute 20: I find I struggle in these flop spots with K high and other similar strength hands. I know I need to defend more hands like this, but coming from a 6max background, I find myself lost here when I don't at least have a BDFD to go with my hand. What is your plan for the hand and what information do you consider when deciding whether to turn a hand like this into a bluff on the river or to show down?
Thanks!
Sorry, I'm not sure which hand you're referring to. Perhaps you misread the action on the hand where I checked down K high and no action went in? If I'm wrong here let me know and I can discuss the spot.
The best instructor on RIO by far. Keep up the good work kevin!
Thanks again Kevin!
Agree !! Best video producer by far. Actually even your voice is perfect for producing videos besides the great way of explaining your thoughts !
Thanks
Hi great vid Kevin,
Can you (or anyone) show me how to change the settings so the full hand history runs in the chatbox like yours seems to do?
Cheers
Settings > Table Appearance > Chat > set Dealer Messages to Everything.
Hi,
great Vid as always;)
I got one question about your assumptions about 6max players. I reconized you talked about cbetting mid-&bottompairs on low boards is quite common for 6max players. If I remember correctly you said the same thing in your series vs Educapoker. I think the mainreason for this "leak" is mostly because of tighter bb defend ranges in SH. There are less top/midpairkombos in villainsrange on boards like 642ss and denying EQ vs overcards gets more priority, when deciding to cbet or chb. Do you agree with my assumptions? And can you explain a bit more, why you think this is a bad play in HU NL and how your adjustments look like to this strategy?
Hah I don't actually recall having this view of 6max regs, but maybe it came up in a specific situation where it made sense at the time. Either way I do think your point about preflop ranges is a good one. Protecting our equity is valuable on these boards with all pairs, especially when overpairs to the board tend to 3bet preflop and low cards that might pair this board will fold. That said, there's an important balance between getting value on this street and keeping our checking range reasonably strong. Even if we view OOPs range as weak on this flop, a lot of turns will bring him top pair strength hands and we have to be prepared for aggression on later streets. I think most good players will bet their weaker pairs on this flop at a mixed frequency for these reasons.
Adjustments become interesting based on what frequency villain decides to use here - a low cbet frequency with mid-bottom pair doesn't really require an adjustment from OOP other than to be confident in realizing equity from OOP and perhaps defending wider in the BB because of that. A high cbet frequency with mid-bottom pair will encourage me to x/r these boards at a higher frequency and also float two overcards less often because a river probe bluff will be less successful against that range.
Thanks for your answer. Seems like I missunderstood your assumptions about 6max players ;-) It would be nice if you can go into more detail in your next vids, about how you decide which kombos of mid- &bottompairs you like to cbet on low boards. for example you chb with BFD and cbet without or you decide on your kicker how to play the hand.
Thanks in advance;)
The AK hand where villain had the Q6ss on the 359rKssJo- you mention that you can glean quite a bit of useful information about his game based on this hand- what types of things would that be?
-we know that he chose the full pot turn and river bet size when the FD missed and he had the FD which could mean that he doesnt put that much stock into being extremely particular in the blockers he chooses to bluff river with?
-Also the turn and river full pot combo is a bit less useful for bluffing the parts of your range that will actually fold as opposed to one thats less than pot on the turn (to not isolate the stronger parts of your range) and then follows up with full pot on the river (or larger even?)? If he was to pot turn and get to the river with this hand and want to bluff (and rep better than Kx) should he overbet then?
-near the end when you had the QT against his AK he 3b and board was KTxQhh and he bet flop checked turn- isnt his hand worth a barrel for value? dont you have alot of hands that will check back but will call a bet like pair + draws? and he could then bet the river for value on bricks? Or is this board strong enough for OOP 3b here that his value range 3 barrel should be two pair +? I find myself betting this spot alot as him- but perhaps this is a mistake
thx for vid, always enjoy them
In the AK hand I think there are a somewhat large number of bluffs he could be firing here that are weaker than Q high and also don't have a FD unless I'm making some kind of misestimate of his preflop range. With that in mind I think seeing him fire this will tell me he's not considering those weaker parts of his range, perhaps because he isn't used to having these hands preflop (like 68o or 62s). It also tells me he's likely not checking many FDs on the turn which will impact his x/c range against delayed cbets. The sizing was the other part of this which I explained in another comment and you summed it up nicely.
The AK hand is not too unusual but perhaps not the play I'd prefer with his hand. I think he's acknowledging that the runout will often make AK a two street hand on this board, so he's protecting his checking range and checking a bit stronger than usual. I think a lot of hands he wants to get that 2nd street from are best suited for the turn and he runs almost no risk of getting shoved on, but he may not view it the same way.
Cliff:
- Against people who is aware of capped hand ranges, set up some creative trap to make them bet big when your range is uncapped.
- When you bluff rising, its ideal to have a blockers to block top of their value range
- Pay attention to what people are bluffing with, it gives an insight into their combo selection and their skill set.
Very good video. A lot of interesting spots. Glad to see you played very well.
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