Whats funny is I was just watching this hand review from bencb https://youtu.be/OjRd51rC4No , he had a really similar spot at 19:32 shoving for 38BB SBvsBU. He explains how we should always be taking the most profitable line and how profitable it actually is! It was just mindblowing to see how much more money shoving makes with hands that most of us would flat. Especially if you think how much tighter people call a 38BB 3bet in practise.

It's an interesting topic, perhaps one for a future video?

There are a few people out there at the moment selling preflop 'solutions' based on Monker calculations and you see a decent amount of 3b reshipping at 40bb (i.e. vs 51% 2.3bb BTN RFI SB reships 6.9% of holdings!). Within this 6.9% you see hands like JTs/QTs/KTs being 100% 3b reships. Since the solver will mix hands at a frequency if the EV of different actions is ~the same that means that it determined that the EV of reshipping was clearly > than any other option it was allowed to choose.

While these larger reships might feel uncomfortable in that we risk a lot of chips to win what feels like relatively few and are often behind (sometimes considerably) when called, perhaps try reframing the situation a little and comparing it to something more 'natural' feeling/intuitive: imagine we have 20bb on the BTN and it folds to us. There are a few hands in our range that are likely incentivized to open jam against most opponents, right? If we assume an 8-handed table w/ 12.5% ante, we're going to risk 20bb to win ~2.5bb (if the blinds fold we increase our stack by 12.5%). Now, compare this to a 40bb reship vs a 2.3bb open. In this example, we're going to risk 40bb to win 4.8bb (2.5bb + 2.3bb) and increase our stack by 12% when we get folds. Obviously a 40bb stack has a bit more 'utility' than a 20bb stack, but still.

Now, does all of the above mean I advocate just blindly following these 'solutions' that Monker is outputting? Of course not. We have to remember that said solution is calculated against perfect opponents (and assumes we'll play perfectly ourselves). But it's definitely interesting to see that i) it's a thing, and ii) to try to figure out why the solver is doing what it's doing w/ different hands :)

Hope this helped in some way.

Defintely has its merits, avoiding playing OOP or getting 3bet by an aggressive BB. Ryan Martin Also don't you think you will end up making more money than the solver indicates if you do it vs the right opponents? In my opinion even ok-good regs will be folding too much to those especially mid stakes and lower. Just don't do it vs recreationals or when there is money to be made by weak players on later positions right?

I think it's going to depend on the positions involved.

So if I reship SBvBTN for 40bb my 'solutions' are telling me that BTN calls off ~55+, A9s+, ATo+, KJs at pure weights (and mixes hands like KQo and KTs to a fold). I'd agree that the first time a reg sees a 40bb reship in this spot they're unlikely to find all of those calls and that's going to increase the EV of a hand like QTs. However, it's not just that they won't find the calls - these solutions have BTN opening 50.9% of hands (and most regs are RFI'ing at least that 40bb deep). Them not finding the calls + them opening wider than theory suggests to begin makes our 40bb reships even more profitable.

Conversely, SB still has a reship subset at 40bb vs the LJ. This range opens considerably tighter than the BTN and as a result only defends 88+ AQ+ at full weights vs a 40bb reship (a lot easier of a range to get 'correct' naturally).

Also don't you think you will end up making more money than the solver
indicates if you do it vs the right opponents?

Touched on this a bit above - but in addition, calling in most spots is also going to make more money than the solver suggests. We're gunna realize more equity through a combination of people betting too small postflop on average + the BB not squeezing/defending enough after we elect to call. These things are going to combine to see us realize more equity than we 'should' be allowed to.

Poker...complicated game.

There are a few people out there at the moment selling preflop 'solutions' based on Monker calculations

There are preaty expensive. How much value do you think there have? How high do you think one should be playing in order to buy this?

hakunamatata As with most things in poker, the value is sort've relative to how much work you put in to studying the information they give you - and it is a lot of information.

It also isn't a silver bullet and there are definitely some 'inefficiencies' re: the bet sizing options given to some positions that results in some wonky results that just can't be correct (the one that immediately jumps to mind is OOP 3b sizes, especially from the SB, were too small on certain stack sizes and that skewed SB to 3b'ing too linear and IP's response being to 4b very little and fold way less than it 'should' in theory due to the price it was being laid).

I think the most valuable part of the solutions is seeing how the solver constructs its ranges in different spots and trying to figure out why it does what it does.

I'd guess you probably want to be comfortably beating midstakes before looking into purchasing these, otherwise there are likely other more efficient avenues of study available to be explored first.