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Stud 8: Starting Hands

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Iteopepe88

POSTED Jul 23, 2023

iteopepe88 breaks down the most important concept in stud 8 with his deep dive on the starting hands (third street) for this game that is increasingly being added to mixes in live games.

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Asinel69 1 year, 8 months ago

Hi, I really enjoy your content. I just wanna make a number check. At 16.59 mark, you mention "Change to make a low" for AA5 u got 38.1% and for AA9 6.34%. I used Oracle to check and got different numbers. For AA5 I got 19.7% and for AA9 4.21%.

I used "How often do(es) PLAYER_1 make a lo by seventh street" question to get these results. I just wanna make sure if I made an error checking these out.

Iteopepe88 1 year, 8 months ago

Hi!
I have somebody who calculates me these (and even more advanced) math questions, so I don't really know how accurate it is. I will ask after it.
Probably it doesnt matter (that much):, because A5A will make a low either 6x or 5x more than A9A. So it's more about showing the difference, not the exact number, and why A5A is signifficantly better than A9A.

But i will ask after it

Iteopepe88 1 year, 8 months ago

I asked my friend to recalculate it and he confirms your number. Sorry about this mistake and thanks for the correction :) However it's more about the principles. When we play a hand we obviously play both AA5, and AA9. I just wanted to show (mostly for beginners) why A5A is signifficantly better. With AA5 we will make a low much more (in my previous, incorrect sim it was 6x more (38,1:6,34). BUt in reality it's 4,67x more (19,7%:4,21%)

SoundSpeed 1 year, 8 months ago

Very well done video. Any chance you can do similar videos for all of the 9 ppc games (minus lh, nlh and plo)?

  1. 23:45 how often will you fold an ace with two low cards? I have always thought we generally want to play those especially if it has 2 suits.

  2. 26:55 are low pairs with a low kicker that are connected like 55-4 or 65-5 ok multiway especially with a suit?

  3. 32:05 you said vs a king up all of those hands have to fold. So with 2587t we should not draw for the low? We do have a 3 straight in case our opponent does have kings.

  4. I have always wondered about calling for half the pot on 5th or 6th street in srp hu and srp pot 3way.
    Do we call with a bare low draw to the best low?
    Do we call with a bare high draw like the nut flush draw vs an obvious made low?

Thanks!

Iteopepe88 1 year, 8 months ago

Will keep that in mind. Currently i made videos for stud and stud8 starting hands.

Razz is a more simple game, there are only 1way of starting hands, and only dead cards make the difference between hands, so i don't think it's worth
But for O8/2-7TD/2-7NL SD i will keep this in mind

1, 23:45
In some situation I fold, but there is quite big difference between A48 rainbow, and A47 2 suits. There are some situations when i fold the first.

3A-4-672 board for example, EP 3 opens, Ace two bets, we are next to act. A8-4 rainbow is an easy fold. Depending on the players probably A7-4 is a fold too, but in a high ante game with loose agressive players (against wider ranges) A7-4 2suits can be playable. So it depends...
But if there are no action before me, i never fold any 3card low with an ace :)

2, If they are really low then yes. However these are usually the trouble hands. It depends on the: ante size (how many player at the table/how big of an ante), and against what door cards we play? If we are against 2 low door or against 2 high door it's much more playable. But against a low door and against a high door we need to have a really live hand to continue

3, I didnt mean to say fold, that was a mistake from me, sorry about it :) We should still obviously continue with (25)-87T vs either 9K2 and vs K92 too.
But against 9K2 we are much more happy becaue then probably TT can be good aganst a very likely 99, however against K92 we still continue obviously for the low draw, but TT can't win against KK

4, It depends a lot, but usually we call and peel. I also "learned" that dont try to calldown for half of the pot when i started to play split pot games. After doing a lot of math with troutulator, because the pot size is usually big at this point in 5th, we mostly have to peel.
But it also depends exactly on the situation. Also it's not 100% that we are up against a made low. Imagine we have (KsAs)-4s-7s-Jx against 356 board. Opponent can have A6-356, so he doesnt always have a low made. He can also have A8-356 in the hole, so we also have backdoor low equity as well.

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