8 Game Final Table
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In the first hand, the open with (89)3 in razz is definitely bad. Hellmuth has a 6 up in the bringin with half his stack in, so he is rarely folding HU, so you can't steal the antes or get the bringin to fold on 4th or 5th street. So it clearly loses chips to open with several players to act when you can't even steal.
This isn't high level strategy, but Hellmuth made some unbelievably bad plays, as he has done in NLHE tournaments. He doesn't play well technically. He seems very old school with skill at reads and being able to pwn amateurs early in tournament, and bluff etc. amateurs and grinder type pros playing for much higher effective stakes than they are used to late in tournaments.
Great video. It had some weird hands to me.
The 2-7 hand at 41:00 just seemed bizarre. As for flatting 1 card draws, are you only ever doing that in these shorter stack spots?
How often have you ever made a pat hand in hellmuth's spot and just cc down? It seems to turn your hand faceup and make you exploitable.
46:00 so vs a short stack yu can defend the 456 and other marginal hands but vs deeper stacks he should fold? Why is that? Seems like a fold to me no matter the stack sizes vs utg because we end up in crappy spots.
If yu has 76554 after the first draw can he snow or is nakamura too short? What if stacks were deeper?
48:20 are you playing the j8654 as a 1 card draw or draw 2 to 854?
Last hand if nakamura limps, hellmuth raises and nakamura calls and draws 3 should hellmuth keep the 9 and draw 1?
Thanks!
1: Yeah, the whole hand was strange ...And with short stacks/ICM consideration in tournaments there will be a fair amount of spots where it's just a better to call with 1c draws
2: Basically never, but it's also because i never check blind...That "mistake" lead to this, that he WAY underrepped his hand and Micon confidently valuebet (imo correctly, i would have valuebet too). It's never correct to check blind (unless you are in a 1:2, 1:3 spot...)
3: Here he wasn't against UTG, he was up against HJ. Which is 5h UTG, but his range is much wider than a 6h UTG opener. Also with a shorter stack size I think he should go with a hand like ~457, ~873, hands that he supposed to fold in a cash game, because next hand he will be in the big blind and the BB is 40% of his stack (he started the hand with 2,5 bigblind). And both 457, 873 are better then average hand.
4, J8654->one card draw always. Same concept that i think Yu missed. When you draw to 854 and catch a 2/or a 3 that you want then with 8542, 8543 you kind of want to catch back a 6, that you mucked...Always keeping 8654, if i play that hand i dont think i ever take other than 1.
5, With 2579 i would never keep the 9 With 2569 IP vs a 3card draw it's really close and can go either way. Because with 256 you can "improve" to gutshot, but with 257 you can't... Basically IP, in BVB spots it's usually correct to go pat early/keep rough draws early, so probably now i would take 1. But as i said it's close and even if it's a mistake to keep 2 to 256, i dont think it matter's all that much.
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