$1/$2 Zoom NLHE Session Review (2 of 4)
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how would u adjust that range if he was tighter? add some more pp's? be less inclined to call AQ AJ type hands?
U mention that if he had a low WTSD u would consider betting. Could you expand on that a little and explain how u use this stat generally to help make ur decisions? Thanks!
Cheers James, enjoying the series so far.
One more question on zoom strategy, you seem to fast fold decently quickly but open very wide from the BTN in some spots, eg i think there was a J3o hand or something, this could well be fine although is only ever going to be slightly plus EV. My question is this, you advocate to steal more in LP because ppl fold more to steals which is a reasonable assumption, but the time it takes for it to fold to you and the chance it could get opened by the 3 positions preceeding you prob between i dunno 30 and 70 % of the time, then would it not from a zoom theory optimal perspective (ZTO) be a better strategy to fold more in LP and to open slightly loser in reverse proportion to position which would be the complete opposite of what seems to be the widely adopted strategy. Ppl seem to think hands like ATo or KQo are now marginal UTG opens and should therefore be passed up in order to avail of a potentially more plus EV spot in an instant new hand. Would it then not be safe to assume that if ppl fold more in the blinds to steals, that they also fold more in every position making it from a ZTO standpoint, better to open loser in reverse proportion to position because the action comes to you more quickly? (of course with all this relating to hourly and not to winrate).
Sorry for the long post and I realise this thread has not been active in a few weeks, any thoughts on this would be appreciated, if you don't see it, i might try and repost it in one of your more recent videos if that's ok, also thought the video was very good, cheers.
As far as your thoughts on ZTO (Which is an amazingly awesome name for it), you may be right but I haven't put a ton of time into thinking about things like that as I mostly play zoom just to supplement my regular tables and get more volume in. If I were only playing zoom these are some things that I definitely think would be worth some thought. Maybe start a thread in ssnl or msnl on here and see what some other zoom regs think. It should be an interesting discussion.
and one more question,if we get called on the turn,and river comes a blank,the fish donk shoving,how should we deal with that? Due to we dont have much handhistory with fish normally,a call here might be really close.fish might have any 2 pair,flush,or sets,coz fish always take a weird line to play a strong hand.
at the end,sorry for my poor english,i really like explained every hand so detail like u,i'd like to have a coach like u,thanks for giving us the great video!!
appreciated!!
aaaaayyy :P
There was a BTN open somewhere and u called KQo in sb because he didn't call much and u didn't want to 3bet fold. I always have trouble for almost the same reason with 99-JJ in the blinds vs late position opens. I always see in videos that it is the way to 3bet/5bet, but I can only see how that is highest ev if they 4betbluff or 4bet with worse for value. In cases they do call, almost always the flop has atleast 1 overcard and u end up with bad playability. Do u think that if villain doen't 4bet much that calling 99-JJ sb vs btn or heads up is best? (I play 25nl so they don't 4bet much at all) Like I feel much better 3bet/folding AQo for example, since it plays so much better.
Great video again, happy I took an essential membership for your videos.
A) Villains are only 4 betting nutted ranges so you should probably call the 4 bets or fold vs these villains.
B) You're playing poorly postflop in which case the hands that you 3 bet aren't going to matter a ton because you're going to have postflop leaks regardless.
C) Villains are opening too tightly to be able to 3 bet hands like 99/AJ for value. This is far more likely to be the case vs CO opens that it is vs button opens.
When you flatted the KQo vs btn and ch/raised with your overs +bckdr FD, were you planning to 3barrel bluff any blank rivers or ch fold ?
Yes, around 12.00 =)
8:30 KQo: I always have no callingsrange BU(reg)-sb if BB isa reg, because BB can squeese us(and we can’t 4b that much since we almostalway 3b our strong hands) What is your callingsrange in this spot?
14:50 JT : I always fold those hands on this flop, becausethere a lot of bad turncards for us. Let’s say turn is Blanc and he barrels, are we happy to call the turn? If notthen we just always fold to a turn barrel, why are you want to call this flopif we almost always fold the turn?Or are we calling JT because our range is so strong on thisflop(we have a lot of Ax) so he shouldn’t barrel turn as a bluf much because weare not folding enough of our range. If he barrels we loose value with JT, butwe win more with our Ax.?
22:07 Q9s: Don’t you think we can just cb almost 100% onthis flop. Yes he almost have all Ax in his range, but his range is so widethat we just have a lot of FE.
37:45 TT you said vs a regular you won’t 3b TT because wehave to fold vs a 4b. Just saw you 3b with hands like Axs. Arn’t you verryexploitable with your verry polorized 3b ranges IP? Or do you think you canjust 3b bluf much just to exploit people?
8:30 KQo: I always have no callingsrange BU(reg)-sb if BB isa
reg, because BB can squeese us(and we can’t 4b that much since we
almostalway 3b our strong hands) What is your callingsrange in this
spot?
I think that's a good point but it also depends on the games you play in. If BB's haven't shown a propensity to get out of line squeezing here then I wouldn't worry about it too much. Another concern would be that you allow BB to enter the pot by calling a bunch due to the great price they're getting and being out of position vs two players though. I'm not going to get into my specific calling range here but a lot of it will be able to call 3 bets from the BB.
14:50 JT : I always fold those hands on this flop,
becausethere a lot of bad turncards for us. Let’s say turn is Blanc and
he barrels, are we happy to call the turn? If notthen we just always
fold to a turn barrel, why are you want to call this flopif we almost
always fold the turn?Or are we calling JT because our range is so strong
on thisflop(we have a lot of Ax) so he shouldn’t barrel turn as a bluf
much because weare not folding enough of our range. If he barrels we
loose value with JT, butwe win more with our Ax.?
I don't want the entirety of my flop calling range to also be calling the turn because it disincentivizes villains from bluffing turns because they always run into strong hands. Additionally, I feel like I wouldn't be defending enough flops if I only call with Ax and flush draws and given that it's a hu pot I don't want to be folding way too much in this spot.
22:07 Q9s: Don’t you think we can just cb almost 100% onthis
flop. Yes he almost have all Ax in his range, but his range is so
widethat we just have a lot of FE.
There's a few reasons why I don't want to bet 100% of hands on this flop. One reason is that the hands that fold the flop are almost always going to be folding the turn to a delayed cbet (small pocket pairs and 89hh type hands). I also have a hand that isn't going to be able to barrel very often due to not picking up equity on turns. I also check back a decent amount of stuff that can call a turn bet so villain won't be able to lead everything profitably in this spot.
37:45 TT you said vs a regular you won’t 3b TT because wehave to
fold vs a 4b. Just saw you 3b with hands like Axs. Arn’t you
verryexploitable with your verry polorized 3b ranges IP? Or do you think
you canjust 3b bluf much just to exploit people?
I don't think I get too out of line with bluffing those spots but even if I do I should be able to realize some equity with those hands when villains chose to flat the 3 bet. If villains in your player pool are playing solely 4 bet or fold in those spots then it becomes much more important to get your 3 bet frequencies balanced though.
22:07 Q9s: Don’t you think we can just cb almost 100% onthis flop. Yes he almost have all Ax in his range, but his range is so widethat we just have a lot of FE. .
I also have a hand that isn't going to be able to barrel very often due to not picking up equity on turns. I agree, but I think we get enough folds(vs his large pre flop callingsrange) on the flop, so we don't need to barrel.
I also check back a decent amount of stuff that can call a turn bet so villain won't be able to lead everything profitably in this spot. I cb 100% on the flop so even all Jx, I think it makes a lot of sense to ch all Jx on the flop. Are you checking all Jx? Do you like the plan checking flop with Jx, some high pp like TT. If we have a ''value checking range'' we can also add air like Q8/46. We balance this so villian can't lead 100%, but if he barreln turn and rivers he can exploit us right?
For the 44 hand at the begining of the video you said you thought it was very unlikely that villain had a flush, why is that?
You talk about this WWSF stat a lot throughout the video, can you explain its importance and how you use it to guide certain decisions?
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