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schmohawk 12 years, 4 months ago

At around 27:00 you 3 bet Q9o bc you say that the guy is folding to 73% of 3 bets and that is very high. I would consider this a reasonable fold to 3bet. Granted he is oop and folding an even higher % here but what do you consider a decent fold to 3 bet stat? (i.e. you wouldn't 3bet bluff q9 vs).

james 12 years, 4 months ago

Well if he's folding 73% to 3 bets and I risk 19$ to win 9$ I only need it to work 68% of the time to auto profit (19/ (19+9) ). If you're folding that much to 3 bets people should basically be abusing you with 3 bets because they automatically make money pre flop and then have potential to make even more post flop. Really you probably don't want your fold to 3 bet stat to be higher than something like 66% if you're playing in aggressive games where people are likely to pounce on your leaks.

halvadron1 12 years, 4 months ago

Nice first vid so far - ty:)

Min. J8s- tbl. 4:
Haven`t you considered also valuebetting OTR?
Seems to me that he would valuebet himslef OTT vs. your missed cbet usually most better Jx-hands, so you should be imo mostly ahead there.

james 12 years, 4 months ago

Hey, what time in the video is this hand?

datomz 12 years, 4 months ago

Same question :-)

Looks like J8s OTR is an easy vbet IMO but maybe I'm wrong.

Nonetheless is a great video

datomz 12 years, 4 months ago

the hands starts at 4.30

james 12 years, 4 months ago

I think it's a close spot given that I have a Jx hand with no kicker basically and I'd be trying to get call out of specifically only 88 and 99 really. Also, villain in this hand is pretty decent and I don't think his range i capped to the point where he doesn't have any Qx or Jx hands. Additionally, I open myself up to being check raise bluffed in this spot given that I've pretty much capped my range (much smaller consideration though).

halvadron1 12 years, 4 months ago

Hey, sry - for any reason I have forgotten to include the time..
The hand was played out at min. 06.55

halvadron1 12 years, 4 months ago

Thx so far:

At getting C/Red cause you are somewhat, perceived capped - ok, this is a point:
But I do not rly get this sentence:
Also, villain in this hand is pretty decent and I don't think his range i capped to the point where he doesn't have any Qx or Jx hands"

This tells me that you think it is the right strat to check there some better madehands.
I strongly have to disagree with this cause in this spot imo you wanna have in his shoes a wide bluffingrange on turn and river -> gec

halvadron1 12 years, 4 months ago

-> hence he should not rly weaken his bettingrange OTT by checking some of his vlauehands,
unless he has there in general a ch-plan (also with air where he is C/Ring then for instance vs. delayed turncbets),
but I think that for the most part a betting-gameplan in Villain`s shoes in this particular spot is better.

james 12 years, 4 months ago

I think he should be mixing in checks with his stronger hands and not only betting them in order to pick off delayed cbets. If every time he checks the turn he has a weak hand it makes my life a hell of a lot easier.

halvadron1 12 years, 4 months ago

Hey, fair point.
Still sucks that this is such a great spot vs. most ppl to bluff a lot OTT (and oftentimes on Rivers),
so that it could already matter a bit when you even only check in some % (like, just let`s say in 25%) your Valuehands OTT....
Still, you made a good point there that it is also an issue when our check-range there is always a "give-up".
Do you then also check in some % draws to C/R them, or xou still rather bet them yourself.
I see here in theory some further problems:
Let`s say we wanna check ere in some % OTT our valuerange (I agree now with you that this is a need),
then we rather wanna C/Call it in order to strengthen our C/Call-range there (and protect a little our weak hands like 3rdPairs, MPNK...) - would you agree so far?
But then you cannot rly check draws (w/O SD-value) w intention of C/Calling them because you cannot bluff OTF (Leading OTR after C/C OTT would be even harder to balance...).
So imo,
either you have to bet all your draws yourself and check some % your valuerange.
Or you can check in some % not only your valuerange, but also your draws and then you can C/R draws and in some % C/R your valuerange.
But the problem is that this would be another split regards to our valuerange and then basically both ranges should be too weak:
our C/C-range OTT and also our C/R-range OTT.

Have you some thoughts on this?

james 12 years, 4 months ago

Something to consider in this spot is that we don't have to worry too much about being bluffed on the river if we're villain because hero can't represent too many strong hands and can't rep many of the obvious draws due to the flop check back. Therefore we're not likely to get punished too much with aggression if our check calling range on the turn is a little weak. The bigger concern with calling weak hands on the turn would be how vulnerable they are vs hero's bluffs.

bannar 12 years, 4 months ago

Hey, if your game is very based on using stats for your decisions, then why you dont make videos where u have stats on people, so 500 nl?

james 12 years, 4 months ago

It's a possibility in the future but for now I'm making videos at 200nl.

datomz 12 years, 4 months ago

Hi James,

Thanks for answering!
I have a question in relation with the A5s hand at the beginning of the video
Have you ever considered jamming against his 4b?
If he folds 10% of the time and we assume he calls your jam with TT+,AQs+,KQs,AQo+,KQo
We have 38% equity vs this range.

0.1(+89) + [(0.9x0.38)130] - [(0.9x0.62)89] = +4ish USD

james 12 years, 4 months ago

Hey, if you're talking about the A5dd hand at 2:03 he's already put in close to half his stack which means I'm likely never getting any folds in this spot . I also think it's pretty unlikely that he would be 4 bet calling with KQ from UTG but if he were going to get all in with that hand it's more likely, in my opinion, that he would just jam.

Green_in_Colour 12 years, 3 months ago

Really good video - made me realize I don't use my HUD nearly as effectively as I could. Also need to plan hands better.

Wanted to ask: Which do you prefer more: Zoom or regular tables?

Thanks, looking forward to watching more of your videos.

james 12 years, 3 months ago

Hey, I actually like to mix the two kinds of tables as it allows me to get in more volume while also making sure I have some good tables at the same time. Glad you liked the video.

LaMenteMaestra 12 years, 3 months ago

hey James on min 7.50 and min 38 you call with suited connectors while sitting on the small blind 3 way. Do you think these are good spots to call as you are OOP and are almost always drawing to make a hand. I do call here with pocket pairs but always fold SC as I though these spots are very difficult to play in my opinion.

james 12 years, 3 months ago

Even though I'm going to be "drawing", these hands have a lot more flexibility to bluff with either by check raising or leading than pocket pairs do. I think it's nice for my range to have some hands in like these as well where I can run some bluffs or have some semi-disguised hands on certain boards.

runlikebolt 12 years, 3 months ago

Noticed that you minraise buttons but 3x everything else. Just wanted to ask you what merits you think come with minraising button when you're 3x-ing everything else?

james 12 years, 3 months ago

I'm going to be stealing way more from the button than anywhere else so by minraising I give myself a better price on the steal, can call more 3 bets due to smaller spr's, and theoretically force my opponents to defend a wide range oop which they are fairly likely to play badly.

VASILEIOS KOTSARIS 12 years, 2 months ago

Hi James,nice vid! I want to ask you about the hand at 19:50 at the bottom left table.you have 34s.i think there is no nutted hand that villain would slowplay on this flop,so when he c/r the turn isn't he exploitable?if you jam (or raise) here can he call with his weak made hand range or combo draws maybe?and I Guess you balance your nutted range also?is what I suggest too spewy? Thank you!

james 12 years, 2 months ago

Hmmmm, you're probably right that most regulars here don't slowplay all that much on this kind of flop texture. With that in mind I could probably attempt to rebluff him but it becomes difficult due to stack sizes. If I click it back I would expect him to continue with a lot of the semi bluffs in his range and I have no showdown value making it so that I'm going to have to bluff jam a ton of rivers. I think the best way to combat a potentially unbalanced turn checkraising range in this spot would be to call down lighter or go crazy with strong draws. My hand seems a little too weak to call and not strong enough/stacks suck for raising.

VASILEIOS KOTSARIS 12 years, 2 months ago

yes,i totally agree. what about the general idea?i mean if you get c/r at the same hand and you have more than a potsized bet behind you so he doesnt get the odds to call even with a strong combo draw.would you jam then?is something wrong at what im thinking? isnt that the most +EV move?thanks

james 12 years, 2 months ago

You definitely could be right but it's the kind of situation that very few people are abusing so if he happens to bluff me once in a blue moon I don't care too much. If I started to see this play more often I'd be far more likely to play back at the villain.

Mike87 12 years, 2 months ago

Good video James.

In at that J8s hand at the beginning, you said checking back is better against people that are willing to c/r bluff and betting against more straightforward opponents. I agree with this, but would you be checking your whole range? If not I understand why you explain that you can't vbet the river in the comments because your range is capped and he has better hands in his range (he can turn worst hands into bluffs as a hand contained in a capped range looks pretty much like what you're holding there).

I personnaly think it's better to check back your whole range against that type of opponents (the ones that are c/raising often) because it allows you to go for thiner value (your J8 in this spot for example) and avoid getting c/raised bluffed of the weaker part of your range that you're vbetting on the river since your range is uncapped.

It also lets you bluff more often on the river as you're not as polarized (if we take this hand for example, after you check back flop you should rarely show up with a bluff on the river since you only vbet Jx with better kicker or Qx).

Thanks

james 12 years, 2 months ago

I don't like checking back my entire range here because there are plenty of hands that I'm going to want to bet multiple streets with but you're right that it helps my range a ton here if i can check back some stronger hands or draws on the flop.

Lewis Harkes 11 years, 10 months ago

Hi James,

I just joined, great video. I play at lower stakes (NL 50, NL 100).

One thing I'm unclear on is the idea of fold to 3bet %. I get the math and how folding too high of a % can be exploitable, but doesn't a lot of the decision depend on the initial raisers range vs the 3betters 3bet% (ours in this case).

For example, in my button, if I have a BB with a 3bet % of 5%, is it really that bad if I fold 90% of my button raises? At least until adjustments can start to happen...

Just curious about this, and also how to gauge the adjustment process - I have a fairly high FT3b and find it tough to know when I'm doing the exploiting vs. I'm getting exploited

Thanks !

james 11 years, 10 months ago

It's not that big a deal to fold too much to 3 bets if you know that villains aren't attacking you BUT the more you play with other regs and the higher up you move the rarer those 5% 3 bettors will and the more likely you are to get run over while you wait to have big samples on people.

As far as figuring out if people are trying to exploit you, try to pay attention to how much you're getting 3 bet by specific villains and then check it over with the "vs hero" stats in hem 2.

Good luck!

Insilicio 11 years, 10 months ago

Great video.

stek 11 years, 6 months ago

Nice vid!

Hope you can answer my quetions

2.32: A4o: What is your callingsrange BVB, you don’t have stats/notes
on the sb, how can you call with A4o?

26:41: Q9o you 3b. I see you 3b a lot IP against MP/CO, I
don’t like that. Lets say MP opens 15% and fold a lot to 3bets and only defend
TT+AQs(3.8 % range). His f23b will be 75%, but we still have players behind who
can have AK/JJ+ (bu sb and bb each 3% of the time) 75%-9% is 66%. So our 3b
works 66% of the time. OUr 3b has to work 19/28= 68%. So even if MP folds a lot, it’s still not
+EV.

47:22: QTo Don’t you think it’s a nice spot for MP to flat
your squeeze verry wide?If he calls then
most of the times the fish also calls.(so he is getting nice odds) then the pot
will be 3way and he has position on you. Also think you wouldn’t cb flop much
3way.

james 11 years, 6 months ago

2.32: A4o: What is your callingsrange BVB, you don’t have stats/noteson the sb, how can you call with A4o?

That's a standard call for me vs anyone. I would guess that if you're folding that hand BVB that you're probably folding to too many SB steals.

26:41: Q9o you 3b. I see you 3b a lot IP against MP/CO, Idon’t like that. Lets say MP opens 15% and fold a lot to 3bets and only defendTT+AQs(3.8 % range). His f23b will be 75%, but we still have players behind whocan have AK/JJ+ (bu sb and bb each 3% of the time) 75%-9% is 66%. So our 3bworks 66% of the time. OUr 3b has to work 19/28= 68%. So even if MP folds a lot, it’s still not+EV.

I don't love the 3 bet with Q9o either but I am going to realize some equity when the opener flats my 3 bet.

47:22: QTo Don’t you think it’s a nice spot for MP to flatyour squeeze verry wide?If he calls thenmost of the times the fish also calls.(so he is getting nice odds) then the potwill be 3way and he has position on you. Also think you wouldn’t cb flop much3way.

Agreed, I don't like this squeeze. I think it's especially not good given stack sizes and positions.

tehduper 11 years, 6 months ago

His f23b will be 75%, but we still have players behind whocan have AK/JJ+ (bu sb and bb each 3% of the time) 75%-9% is 66%. So our 3bworks 66% of the time.

That math is wrong. The correct calculation to figure out the probability of all players folding using your estimations on their continuing frequencies is .75*.97*.97*.97 = .685~ so about 68.5% of the time all 4 players will fold. Not a big difference in this spot, but if you start using that incorrect math for say figuring out how often both blinds will fold, you will be way off.

stek 11 years, 6 months ago

2.32: A4o: What is your callingsrange BVB, you don’t have stats/noteson the sb, how can you call with A4o?That's a standard call for me vs anyone. I would guess that if you're folding that hand BVB that you're probably folding to too many SB steals.

Yes. if someone cbets 75% and always fold when ch then we can just call any 2. We also flop 2pair+ 5% of the time so I can see why you can flat super wide pre. (and just play fit or fold post)

Do you like flatting with a 60% range? let's say SB opens 35% in sb(tight), we can still call verry wide?

james 11 years, 6 months ago

Yeah, I think we can still call fairly wide in that spot. We're getting a good price, have position, deep stacks and villain's range is still wide enough to be able to get him/her to fold some hands postflop.

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