$5/$10/$25 NL Live Game Antics
Posted by Hunter Cichy
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Great video overall Hunter Cichy
First hand I spotted one of my own mistakes with pushing equity MW with NFD. Even if they have a set NFD is still going to have decent odds to stack 2 players, but usually this is for 100bb play. I'm not sure if you would still recommend flatting NFD MW and trying to realize equity or not because on a lot of brick turns we end up having to fold vs a large bet. Board in your video was 9s 5h 3h and turn was Jc. If you had a hand like Ah8h as Toby had in the video are you still flatting at 100bb? There are some times we run into hands like 8h7h, 6h4h, 7h6h etc a long with sets, but I think NFD does a decent job still. Just not sure if passive route is still best option here.
On your AJo hand 4BP vs Tobby on 855cc-9x-Jx board any thoughts on setting your own price? I understand getting value from worse is a bit difficult as villain can still check back some AA-QQ hands on the turn, but also by checking you are mostly capping your range where QQ+ can size up and target your JX and TT type hands. Where if you go 1/3 on the river as you mentioned they are unlikely to raise but also call with worse some times.
Looking forward to more of these MW pot videos.
Oh, lastly for your 4 bet range being JJ+ AK and some AJo ATo KQo hands. How come you don't use any suited hands besides AKs? Becomes really hard to make a flush in a 4BP when you don't have have any suited hands. If the flush did come in where you were betting your AcJx hand on the river and you try and rep it, your range just becomes way over bluffed right? Wouldn't it be good to throw in some Ajs A10s KJs K10s at 25% frequency to have some flushes?
Lastly if hero doesn't wear a watch any recommendations for how to RNG? Just use spades for 25% frequency in terms of using a suit?
Thanks for any feed back.
I think having some low SC at FQ deep will be good. Especially if they aren't having 5-bet ranges, as he suggested in video, you will get to over realize your equity and they will play decent post flop with depth behind
Good question on the NFD as well. Multi-way people are probably less likely to GII with those lower flush draws, so that might not be as relevant, as it would be heads up.
I would think with deeper stacks, there might be incentive for building the pot drawing to the nuts for when you get there, but multi-way, maybe not quite as true, given things can get out of hand and you might end up being blown off equity/get bad price.
Interested to hear Hunter's take, as well as any additional ideas from you
I was implying that Ah8h blocks 8hXh/98o/87o/86o. I believe this makes it more likely for you to run into 2P+. This makes me think it's better to call with Ah8h. Hands like Ah2h/Ah4h/Ah9h have more equity against 2P+. They also unblock middling flush draws. This makes me think it's better to raise with these hands.
Against most players, river B33 w/ AJo is the best option. "Setting your own price" isn't a thing against a truly elite deep stack cash game player like Toby. People try that and then he makes it $10,000 and says, "How's your price now?"
I had A5s/A4s in the OOP 4-bet range. I've node-locked wider 3-bet ranges IP and left OOP's response unlocked in Monker for 200bb+ situations. The suited Broadways and suited connectors are very very low frequency.
I randomize the suit for the highest card in offsuit hands once daily when I'm playing cash. In tournaments, I look at the clock before each hand is dealt.
LOL!!!!
Great meeting you at the series. I was the one that talked to you during break of the milly maker.
At 8:30 you talk about why you don't want to barrel turn. If you choose to chk the Ac combo are you folding to a bet or can you incorporate some xr or xc to bluff river lines?
16:35 solver shows us betting higher pp like aa kk qq more than jj tt. Normally I see that it is the opposite as the higher pairs need less protection. I feel we would also bet jj tt more often as it has straight blockers. Why do we see this reversal here?
Thanks!
It was good to meet you :)
8:30 | I think flop bet-call > turn xr is unnecessary and very very difficult to balance OOP in a 4-bet pot with ultra-deep stacks. AJo xf turn is better since that part of my range is protected by some big pairs.
16:35 | I believe that has to do with the heavy concentration of big pairs in my 4-bet range. AA/KK are much more likely to get called by a big pair in a 4-bet pot. JJ/TT are much more likely to run into QQ+ in a 4-bet pot. In a 3-bet pot, the big pairs are diluted and that incentivizes more checking with AA/KK.
Hand 1 - you think defending straddle multi-way w 46o is +ev? I’m assuming so. Can you describe what factors make this a call for you?
Take a look at the summary at the end of the video.
Interesting. Def agree that offsuit broadways perform worse. Would just be curious how 64o performs 5 ways (no way of running a database analysis to see). In this spot 2 of 5 stacks have under 100bb, pfr has 120 and you’re 200bb deep w one player as well (not exactly a deepstack scenario). This hand is case in point how hard 64o is to play. You get a great flop for your hand (open ended) and it’s still tough to play aggressively due to the multi-way nature.
Yes, agree QTo is dominated and plays badly multiway, but don't see the justification for playing junk like 64o. Sure you can win a big pot with a straight, but how often does that happen.
I understand that the solver says to be large on double flush draw boards. However, there are many strong draws out there, and that is the main reason for betting big. Should we go crazy firing 2 huge bets on a really wet board when we only have a gutshot on the turn?
Since this is a 5-10-25 game, aren't they mostly regs, so how do you have such a big skill advantage that you can open almost any two cards?
Hey in the AJ hand, you said if someone is 3 betting IP more than 12% of the time, we must 4 bet at least 60 combos to keep their balance in check.
That would include all the TT+ AQ+ ATs AJs A2-A5s all the suited connectors and gappers. 65s to t9s 64s to t8s. And that is only 10%..........
Its only we adds all the suited As and broadways we get to 12%
12% seems insanely high to me. Does people ever 3 bet that much in game ?
Am I missing something here ?.
Start with AJo/ATo/KQo/A5s/A4s and things will make more sense.
Oh yeah it makes more sense now. Thank you
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