How Much Should I Buy In For?
Posted by Zachary Freeman
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Nice vid, all valid points.
NLHE example with the 88, it gained us 12BB not 32BB, but just nit picking. (we started with 20bb)
Unless you are assuming we will raise to 20bb and then fold to a shove when we are deeper, in which case we gain 32 bb :D
Yes I was saying that had we 3bet to 20bb and got back raise 4bet we would need to fold and would net -20BB. As opposed to being short our EV is 32BB. The exact numbers aren't important, its just to illustrate the concept.
Just wanted to clarify a labeling error. I had the hand 1 and hand 2 example labels flipped. The first hand example is one illustrating when being a short stack prevents us from folding our equity. The later example is one showing when main pots are built multi way and then players are pushed out.
Cool vid man. :)
As i understand you would advocate begginers who want to learn plo to buy short. Where can we find any good materials how to play shortstack plo??
Buying in short simplifies the game. So yes I advocate buying in short when beginning for any game. There is one book specifically on short stacking PLO. It was the first PLO book I read many years ago.
I don't think it's great but it does have some value.
Id more suggest running sims of varying hand classes hot and cold and gain a understanding of which hands do well HU, multiway etc. Mainly realize big pairs go up in value, big cards as well, rundowns are less valuable.
Good video!
I have some questions tho, in which cases would you size up your buy in? The most obvious one is ofc if you have position on a big fish who's playing deep then you want to cover him. But what if you were oop and other opponents were kinda tough? Also, how would a better player on your left with deep stack affect your BI decision, compared to a weaker player with a deep stack on your right?
And the last one, do you think playing short in PLO has a bigger advantage than playing short in NLHE or not? I would say it does, so usually (unless I have reasons not to) I would buy in short for avg plo game and 100bb for avg nlhe game. I don't really have any big reason for that, I'd say just a feeling, but I'm wondering what you think about it.
All good questions Dannstarr.
Most of your decesions will be a balancing of conflicting factors. There will always be reasons to buy in deep and reasons to buy in short in a given session. Your job is to weigh the significance of each factor.
To touch on your specific questions, If you were oop to deep tough opponents that would lean you towards buying in shallow. That said, if you were in a game that had tough good opponents on your left you would need to have some soft opponents on your right otherwise why are you playing? So you need to decide, is being deep against the softer players on your right more beneficial than being deep oop vs the tough opponents is damaging? That comes down to the degree in skill of each player.
Generally try to cover most of the players on your right and don't buy in deeper than that.
In regards to comparing the value of short stacking NL to PLO, I don't have a definitive answer but my gut says NL has more value short stacking. I say this because when you are short most of the money you put in will be PF. And in NL PF equities have larger disparities so the edges you push PF will be more substantial.
With an spr around 3 (pot 18, stack 50) we would want to bet just under 1/3 pot so a good player could cib and our jam then reopens the action
I've had a few people talk specifics of the HH in the video. If you are focusing on that you are missing the point. Opening the can of worms, a small bet could work out good, but maximizing FE by potting is most often best.
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