Allow me to (re)Introduce Myself: PLO Endboss Hands
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Hey guys hope you enjoyed the video.
Please let me know what you thought of the level of strategy in the video. I tried to explain a lot of things that I consider relatively basic just because I'm not sure what others consider to be basic as well.
A good example of this is the 974 A 4 hand, if I would make this video for me and the friends that I study with I would spend almost no time on explaining that flushes with no pair are quite bad bluffcatchers. I would just say "We are going to valuebluff some 4x, especially with the Ks" and we would all know what's going on.
I created a poll on this here
The benefit of making the strategy a bit higher level is that I can go through the hands quicker and cover more spots in the videos. Of course the draw back is that what I consider to be relatively common sense, others might not. So I don't want to leave some newer people behind.
I'll make sure to use the feedback for the next videos!
33:28: From the sims I saw, you're correct that OOP should have blocked the river, but it doesn't look like once checked and facing a pot sized bet, he should be calling his hand.
Nah call is correct. His hand is actually one of the best sets to call that don't have a spade. IP value potting range contains Q9 straights and some very rare J-hi straigths (basically only ones with Kc blocker). Having the Q with our set, alongside the extra pairs blocks a good amount of the value part of the potting range.
Sets higher than 77, that dont have a straight or better
Same filter but with a Q blocker
The call EV, for it being a relatively small pot is quite significant
Our exact combo isn't in the list of combos since it pure blocks, but when very similar hands are this +EV the QJ77 just becomes a snap call for sure
Great vid. I recommend for future vids, that you will be as tecknical and precise, as you would be with your own peers. And then you can expand on your points, as answers in the comments section. Thus, we your students, not only get more info on spots, we also get insight on the level of thinking and knowledge at your level, while at the same time, we are "forced" to pinpoint our own lacks, to formulate questions, and do some thinking to connect the dots. / guided by you. //// It would be great, since you mention that you play with people that actually kick your ass, pardon my english, if you contemplate on their deviation against you, as if they are actually exploiting on mistakes they think you are making. ex your A542 : should villans check on river be an exploit to your game, he would have the presumption that you a : dont have many two pairs since you might bet them to much on flop or turn, b; you bluff the big sizing with your air to much. that would give some credence to his river check .. then you could spend a minute to explain whitch pairs you do check back on flop and turn, to make sure he cant make this exploit, and even make a point to discuss a counter adjustment to his exploit, maby start betting big with straights ?. look so much forward to next episode thx.
Thanks for the feedback! I'll give it a try next video.
I think its very likely some of these guys are exploiting me in some ways. However the problem is that I have no clue what they are exploiting haha. If I knew it would make everything significantly easier. I highly doubt they are exploiting me in these exact hands because these were one of the first hands I played vs them so they would just approach me as any other reg without any specific read.
Thing is, with stuff like this you can endlessly say you are being exploited because of x and y reason and I am making mistakes here and there. I personally think you just end up messing with your head if you go down that route every hand you play. It's already easy enough to feel that way when you are in a bad HU session (HU sessions can get REALLY bad the variance is sick) so having these things in the back of your mind don't help you play good poker (for me at least).
I guess also an important thing is that I fundamentally never approach poker this way. I have always been less exploit driven as I'm a very non-natural player. It took me ages to beat microstakes and I had to do a LOT of work with the solver to get where I am now. So I think the thing I can do well is study these spots more to avoid being exploitable as much as possible. If I go down the exploit rabbithole I just end up playing bad poker a lot of the time so I tend to avoid it.
thx for thorough answer. My point is not that the exploit is being done, it is rather to hear you contemplate IF it might be an exploit, in your example against an unknown newcommer on highstakes, and not a plain mistake, then what could it be they think newcommers might be doing wrong, if there is a counter to this, or just a possible leak to look out for... I think it could be an interesting way to go a level deeper, on how to approach a new limmit, vs the best in the world, to learn fast.
Great vid and as with the imbajimba content IMHO perfect balance of strat and actual play. For me you could continue making inf of these videos.
Only request would be (but not sure u can really do that, if you are exclusively a HU player) would be to incorporate some other game formats, I.e Cash, MTTs (could focus on early game if u don't want to dive into ICM), structures w Antes...
Thanks! Maybe eventually I’ll make some 6 max videos but nothing in the pipeline yet
Around minute 10, I thought the turn pot with air was strange. It seems like a pretty wet board with 2 flush draws. Aren't we going to be betting a lot with flush draws etc. and villain will have one of the flush draws often or otherwise connect. However, I can see how the solver would recommend bluffing with decent blockers to both flushes.
Yeah these are quite counter intuitive. We go a bit more polar here than you might first expect. This is of course due to our overall barrel frequency being quite high in the first place
Note that this is quite a small portion of our range so while 62% might seem high, really its not that many hands in our total range. Also if you don't have 2 FD blockers these hands really really quickly start checking back always. So be mindful of that.
It is important to note though that OOP is just folding a bunch of frontdoor flushdraws vs the turn pot. Not so much spade draws because if we have a spade draw we usually have something to go with it because we called the flop. Heart draws we just have almost all of them from the flop so a lot of them are just naked flushdraws which are not strong enough to call the turn.
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