WCOOP High Stakes Hand Review (Part 2)
Posted by Sam Grafton
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In Hand 1, 98 suited hand, you skipped whether we are supposed to check call or check raise flop, no?
Seems very unlikely we want to check-raise a hand which has such a good draw and can show-down. That's why I didn't consider that part of the game-tree.
In the T8 suited hand, doesn't PIO say you should be RAISING T8 suited on the turn, not calling?
to the larger sizing, I mean
Yeah I missed that! Verse the bigger sizing we craise at a high frequency! Good spot and what a gangsta strategy!
For the first hand, I think the reason pio likes jamming the river is because IP is capped from checking the turn, where as you can easily have JT. Thoughts on this?
I'm continually impressed by the strategic options that PIO employs. I and nearly every player are a longer way from playing GTO poker, but I find it very thought provoking to open up PIO and look at the strategies it suggests.
Oh sorry just heard you say that
At 22.22 you say that you probably shouldnt be c/r a hand like KTs, because it is too strong with overcard,gut shot and bdfd. If you look at the solver on your screen it says you should be c/raising KQ here, which is similar to KT, which would contradict your point. To me it seems very difficult to map out why the solver is doing these sorts of things. Anyways very helpful video sam, cheers!
It's actually pretty challenging doing PIO videos. I want to share with you guys the work I'm currently doing, but my understanding is far from complete. Some of PIO's choices are still inexplicable to me. Glad you're enjoying the videos and thanks for the engagement.
I think you missed the fact in the AT suited hand where you said you should be betting turn with high frequency, that PIO says AT hearts should be checked 71 percent of time on turn.
u should def. implement to set node locks and setting up leadingranges for the oop range on some boards/cards so u can reach a higher accuracy in your analysis:)
glgl in the 888 liveaments, saw u on tonkaaas vlog;)
Yeah I guess developing a leading range is the next stage in MTT strategy.
Is always fun going deep in a liveament! Just a shame I couldn't take it down.
Really enjoying these pio oriented vids Sam. Cheers mate!
Thanks mate. Certainly seem popular, so I'll be continuing with them, for sure.
Hello, Sam, i also really like seeing you use pio in these videos lately.
One other thing, i would love to see from you or others is analyzing one of the highstakes wcoop/scoop replay FTs. It would be great to hear you explain, how you think they construct their ranges and maybe use pio for some of the interesting ones too.
Hey there bro,
Thanks for the suggestion. It's nice that you have so much faith in my ability to breakdown the approach of other top players. While I do feel that my game is strong and my bb/100 is good, I'm not sure I could accurately critique the strategies of an entire table of regs. Think it's entering a 'grey area' ethically also. Shouldn't really pull apart a specific players tendencies on such a public platform without it pertaining to hands a coach is playing.
Hopefully i'll make a giant WCOOP final myself soon and then we'll have the material and the justification!
3:48 - You mention he shouldnt have much 7x in his range other then specifically 77. What about 87s and 76s?
I'm just curious why you dont think he can have these? Because i cant see anything too wrong with playing them this way.
Really feels that you took the quality a step up! Love these videos
In the Q8 hand (around 16th min) when the 9 comes in the turn i was thinking that i wouldn't bet, i kinda freeze when the board pairs. It's not that i am afraid that they have trips now but mostly that i can't represent as much now so i will get called easier. Same thinking process for this Q8 hand as well. What would you do to solve this leak if you had it?
pretty interesting bit in the end where you talk about how you get almost instinct like decisions after studying spots and going over them again and again. Jared tendler discuss this in his books (as "unconscious competence", the last stage of learning) and also i've bumped into this concept in books like talent is overrated by G. Colvin and a couple of others as well.
It is pretty important concept since as you said we might not have enough timebank left or might be tired after a big session or more commonly we multitable and we have to make sure that we still make decent decisions in the rest of our tables not in just in that tought riverspot we are thinking at the moment
Hey mate,
Thanks for taking the time to post.
The board pairing can freeze the action somewhat and that's because equities become more polarised. Draws have less equity and bluff catchers and value hands become more clearly defined. The thing to remember is that if the board pairing favours you, then you're in a very strong position.
I agree that 'unconscious competence' is a useful concept. Certainly, you can find that, in game, off the table work is suddenly shaping your sizings and decision making without you having to grasp for it. It's a great feeling.
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