High Stakes PLO Hand Review
Posted by Jens Kyllönen
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Welcome, nice first wideo
all scandinavians plo nosebleeds are obligated to say "hello boys and girls" ? (:
can't really believe jeans signed. astonishing first video.
Mind Blown. Fantastic video.
legendary! welcome!
Welcome Jeans and really nice first vid! This one is miles better than your pokerstrategy ones, tyvmuch :)
And you'd have to pry T3 out of my cold dead fingers
Amazing video, but i dont think its was a smart idea to show that you folded that T3. Hate these spots - i normaly call and lose - or i fold and feel exploitable :(
he explained very solid reasons for the fold. plus, how often do you really get your multiway 2 barrel on a dry board check raised ott? its extremely infrequent, and thus the hero fold seems appropriate. just because he's exploitABLE doesn't mean the opponent is capable of exploiting him here.
Boys and girls <3. Welcome! Really enjoyed your first vid Jens.
Nice vid Jeans. Very interesting and informative for a PLO noob like myself.
Hello boy!
That hair is incredible.
Hi Jeans, good video...
28:50 w/ QJ96, I assume your value range consists only of K and J hi hearts. If that assumption is incorrect, let me know. My question is, how often you would ever check K or J hi hearts on the turn. If you did happen to check them, what types of hands do you think either villain might jam with after your check?
I think I would end up shoving any flush on the river there and feel silly if someone slowplayed a bigger one. But you are right I'd most likely keep betting with a high flush on the turn so I am repping a pretty thin value range on the river. I don't think thats such a bad thing as it's also veery tough for me to have a bluff there, so it depends more on what you think your opponents will put you on. If I checked to the last player I think he would very rarely be jamming there, and would need atleast a flush to be be valuejamming.
Thanks for all the positive feedback <3
good video! i think that hem shows this sidepot situation incorrectly. it seems like you missed that towelie raised to 800 and valueclown had only 510$ total creating a 580$ sidepot. doesnt change much in that situation being so shallow i guess..
Welcome, welcome, welcome :)
Great first video, Jens.
Awesome video! And you even managed to get the legendary MagicNinja in there! ;-)
Would love to see future video reviews! When you get there, I'll go against the general population and wish for lower stakes and fewer tables. Two zoom tables of 5/10 or so would be ideal imo.
Agreed, would like to see 5/10+ zoom.
Amen.
Thank you for teaching us Jeans. Please stick around a long while!
Man what a great coaching site !!!
Nice vid, great insight, looking forward to the next episode!
Are you going to play One Drop next year to avoid paying taxes from the millions you make from being a RIO coach?
nice haircut and brilliant scandi accent. :D
T3 fold is reasonable. K532 fold must be some sort of level.
Welcome Jeans! Very nice first vid man :)
Very nice vid,thx!
Best advice for 2/4 - 10/20 NLHE player transitioning over to PLO? PLO50 good place to start? Get a coach?
@21:30
You have Td3cAd2c on TsTh3dJh, bet 1100 into 1445 and get raised to 2500 at 5400 effective. You say that you are very high up in your range and that you make an exploitative fold. But I don't agree on that. I put your opponent on both a loose and a tightish range. On this specific turn you only have around 60% equity. He has JJ,JT over 30% of the time in both instances!
If you could bet 2500 into 1445 your bet would be automatically losing if he has JJ,JT over 1445/(1445+2500) = 36.6% of the time. Since those hands can deny your hand all equity by way of raising. So your hand is not very strong at this point, it is a very marginal hand from the middle of your value range.
For this reason, I also believe that your bet size of 1100 into 1445 is way too large. Against the top 30% of his range you have around 5% equity, and against the bottom 70% of his range you have 80-85% equity. Betting 76% pot is just too large in this type of situation, he will also realize that he should have a boat here at a high frequency. Making this bet makes much more sense with a range of JJ,JT for value and Jx as a bluff. Doing this with AT32 is just a range mistake.
After making such a range mistake, your fold becomes rather trivial. Not only does he need to assume that you misplay your range and that a large part of your range consists of misplayed hand, he also needs to build his ranges in such a way that he can exploit this tendency of yours on a J turn.
Tbh I feel like this is actually a very easy fold to the raise to begin with against this type of an opponent, but 30% thats surpsingly often. Am I readying this correctly that he would have all his JJxx combos that are included in the 50%-10% range in the first one and 30%-10% in the second one? I think the second one is more realistic for this type of players. I also actually think he will be folding most of his bare JJ combos on the flop here so we can subtract most of those. So he's going to have JT/JJ like a bit <20%?
How this spot works in practice tho is that I'm still getting called by Txxx almost always on the turn even for my sizing.
Am I reading this right that you left out all combos of KK (except those that have Tx or QQ-TT with it?)? He obviously calls with KK more often than JJ and also sometimes has AA. That should significantly skew your numbers given how many combos of KK are in PPT's 10-50 range. Not disagreeing with the fold just being a nit about the numbers; I always call here because I feel like I have to then lose to JT.
I would also point out that whether Jens is high up in his own range is not really a statement about how strong his opponent's range is. T3 is definitely high in his range.
Top 5 best video I have seen at RIO. You aren't really spoiled with too many "wow-moments" nowadays in pokervideos, but this one was just filled with it. Thank you so much Jens. And thanks to Galfond and all the other people involved with the site.
So refreshing to see a video with a top tier player making exploitative plays. WP Jeans, Very WP.
Hyvä video kyl. Oon itekkin kattonu lähis kaikki plo ja mixed videot ja tää menee kyl samaan kastiin galfondin videoiden kanssa. Hyvä tempo ja hyvä kielenkäyttö.
Videos like this are the ones that make me stop and realize how automatic I have been playing and not giving enough thoughts to certain spots. Amazing video and thx for joinining. Really looking foward to tons more :)
Very refreshing, honest, and revealing work. I enjoyed it very much.
Jeans will have a hard time folding 2nd nuts aftert his vid
agree with alot of things. but folding k532ds on this flop has to be exploitable. your read must be close to 100% that he has a monster always.. if he is going to b/c 500 with like AdAcT7ss your fold seems bad.
I think what you meant is "but folding k532ds on this flop has to be -ev"
It is exploitable and thats what I said in the video. I also think he would just shove AdAcT7ss instead of betting 500.
I always thought you wouldnt make coaching videos but now I get it, u make one where u only do bluffs and one herofold so your opponents start calling your valuebets more are try some weird bluffs cause of this video, so smart.
Jens,
Do you have any footage of HU PLO you could review?
Hi,
For the second hand, you said that you are in a bad spot once you CB flop and he calls because you can't call river once the turn goes check/check.
What if you check back flop, turn comes 3 flush and he leads. Do you call ?
Because i feel like one the benefits of CBetting the flop is to not get bluffed when this kind of things happens on the turn.
I am not a PLO player so what i said might be stupid, i am just curious.
It would be a tough spot and depend alot on my opponent, but it's certainly possible I'd call a turn lead.
sick vid
new to plo- you seem like an ideal guy to learn from! Very concise, clear analysis.
2nd hand (Ad7c7d6d) on Ad8c8d6c2c, you mention (in your elegant, non-powerpoint presentation!) that it's a mistake to bluff turn with the ace blocker (against the player who calls turned flushes), since he now calls turn 77% instead of 70%. But if he's still folding his flushes (which he holds around 44% regardless of blockers) on the river, shouldn't we still be bluffing turn (intending to bluff river (even with our blocker), since he's folding so much on the river? If players are folding most flushes on the river, aren't we almost welcoming the higher turn calling % so that we win a bigger pot on the river? I guess I'm asking how to quantify the %'s- are we sure that if he calls turn 70% we can barrel, but not if he calls 77%?
Look forward to your future vids!
You are right - If I were only to barrel the turn and give up river, it'd be bad for me to have an ace in my hand, but if I intend to go for a river bluff it doesn't matter too much. However I do still think the ace with no kicker has too good of a checkback value to use it in my cbetting range.
One more question - A88 two toned board you said bb probably shouldn't have a c/r range, but on the TT3r you say good players will usually c/r T3/33. Clearly, a nutted hand on the second board is much more vulnerable - so is it just a matter of protection (on both boards, there doesn't seem to be too many weaker hands you can get much value from- and possibly on the first board, you could get called by the case 8 or stubborn nut FD's). Why is it so much better to construct your range on the first board w/o a c/r range?
this might require an entire video to explain properly :)
- you have close to no AAxx combos while your opponent has all of them
-A8xx is basically the only hand you could c/r and "comfortably" bet turn+river for value
- the board won't change much and we don't mind letting him catch something to keep barreling with if we have A8xx
- good for protecting our chk/call range
Great first video, Jeans! Looking forward for new ones! Same reviews or zoom 5/10+ will be fine!
28:00
QJ96ccc on QJ5hh 3 way 2nd to act.
This spot was very interesting to me so I'm gonna fire off a bunch of questions. Choose whichever ones seem the most relevant.
I'm curious what types of things I should be thinking about when I'm constructing my leading and checking range in this scenario.
If I had to take a guess:
The best leading hands are hands that want to deny btn a highly +EV check back and would prefer to get the money in either on the flop or turn-so a lot of strong made hands with poor playability on a lot of turn and river runoffs or perhaps some draws which have very high equity right now but little to no show down value that want to take advantage of their flop fold equity.
The best checks are hands that gain more from a free card than they would from leading or hands that have the board so crushed that they want to keep dominated hands in the pot/don't gain much from denying free cards.
Am I close here?
A few more follow up questions:
1) What other types of non-made hands would you prefer to lead with over checking? Would you ever consider leading weaker made hands like AKJ5 or are they gaining too much from flops checking around?
2) What strong hands would play better as checks in order to have some % of your checking range that is actually continuing the times btn bets and SB folds? Does the fact that BB is very protected in this hand make our responsibility for having a protected checking range less?
Thanks Jeans, awesome video.
I think we do not have to worry as much about our checking range here as the coldcaller hits this board very hard and usually checks 1st to act no matter what so we are pretty well protected. I'd go ahead and lead with most of my stuff, both draw and made and, that I feel is good enough to get it in with. I might occasionally check something strong there but that'd be just for the sake of mixing it up to make me harder to play against.
Awesome video Jeeeeeeeens
Excited for your future videos
Kinda cool Run It Once now has Dracula making videos.
@18:16
You say that turn bluff is probably -ev but river bluff is +ev. Well you have to account for the price you're paying to get to the river spot when calculating total ev.
great video, im sort of new to plo, i have pro poker tools odds oracle, is this a good program to use? i know you were using a different one in this video.
Thanks for the vid, !
I dont know if Jens is still on RIO, but if anyone ever stumbles upon this question and knows the answer id rly apreciate it.
My question is: Jens is figuring out the composition of his opponents range in order to determine what % of the range he will fold. So is he using his opponents MDF to determine his sizing in these situations?
For example if villain is folding 33% of his range on the turn, and he can only defend 66% (MDF) of his range then Jens bets half pot?
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