I simmed this spot with a lot of different betting options: 10,28,45,66,115, and interestingly Pio converges on using the 10% size for range. I'm sure a 25% or 33% strategy wouldn't lose much EV but it's a nice option to have the b10 in your arsenal.
Hey ctrlplay! The reason why pio is only opting for the 10% sizing is because the only raise sizing allowed for OOP is 40%. And as we can see when we bet when we bet 10% (22 chips), the maximum OOP can raise is to 126 chips, which give us a very good price to call in position and realize equity even when we do get raised considering the pot odds we will be getting. In general when we do allow the solver to have this extremally small betsizings we should give the opponent more raising options and bigger sizings otherwise will just create a strategical inbalance towards small betting since we can't ever get ''punished''.
It could be that on this specific spot/board 10% is actually a prefered sizing even when you allow multiple raising options (I didn't run it to test it out), but overall that is usually the trend of how we want to run trees when allowing very small betsizings, so thought it would be nice to share :)
I added more raise options for both players and reran the sim. It turns out that it doesn't change the results in the sim because the small OOP size is the one that is converged to in this case, but it's definitely something I should have considered.
1) 8 min mark (screen shot above) Henry Lister mentioned you want a blocker to calling range AxJc (think this hand folds pre) but to your point, I would wanna unblock the flush draws to get value from worse hands like KQhc, QJhc type hands. Also not holding Diamonds or Hearts if opponent has a hand AcKh it makes it more likely opponent is not bluffing since they are blocking some of the flush draws. If hero thinks villain has high amount of AK AQ in range, then looking to stab flop and barrel turn / river as I expect a lot of QQ+ to check raise, where AK AQ may check call and fold to future aggression. You also mentioned 55 for hero could be betting the turn. Are these hands checking back on the flop? Would think a protection bet is in order with most pairs? Maybe I'm front loading aggression too much. Thank you clarification. I thought blocking flush draws on the flop in order to bet, then unblocking on turns was the strategy.
2) 35 MIN(screen shot above). You mentioned both players having J10, so don't want to really have an over betting strategy, but if you were to over bet, would look like over bet some 4hXh hands. To go with this on the Q94Khh board, Would you also be over betting hands like AJ, AT, T8s with straight blocker? Lastly would you be splitting your sizing here, where 75% can include more K10, KJ, AK, type holdings, maybe some sets, then bigger bets (over bets) include more straights JxTx (no heart) and bluffs being flush draws and gut shots?
Are you going to make a part 2? I'm enjoying the student videos you and Peter have made. I think the in-depth was a good balance as well, not too much, but not too little.
1) I don't see where i said this in the video and have gone back over the hand in the video - I stated we can't have AJo here due to the formation. I agree it's okay betting AJ here given it's a better turn for us and we can fold out his ak-aq type hands. If we have a flush draw it generally favours betting more than betting this as we have more equity when called and fold equity is likely greater as our opponent wont have a flush draw to xcall with now (assuming villain does not xcall ak-aq here unblocking f draws which I assume people mostly xfold here)
2) I don't think we can go crazy here given both players have the nuts. However given the wetness of the texture equities run closer meaning I am also incentivised to go bigger with stronger hands in my range. I would guess we can use a variety of sizes and have some bigger bets but can't go crazy as OOP is well protected. Betting reasonable size with gutters and following through with them on the appropriate rivers where you have good removal (what suits do you block and what suit is the river) is always going to be a good play (referring to your comments on Aj-At-T8).
To clarify i think splitting of sizes is therefore allowed given the wetness of the texture but with OOP having plenty of good hands to continue with whilst not being completely capped we can't go completely crazy with overbet frequencies.
I have asked the staff at RIO to provide me with some more student content so hopefully more to come of these style of videos.
min 25.00
very very interesting when Henry explains what we should do against reg that cold call ip. All obviously very true, they 3bet AJo KQo, and cold call KQs JTs 9Ts 99 88 ... so often they have a range that doesn't fold to cbets, but using a check raise strategy for example is an idea that I involuntarily apply but now I would like to study in deep. can anyone add anything about it? I think these are too important concepts
Just wanna say that I love your videos with tons of detail and nuance. I watch these in an attempt to adopt the thought process of a better player, and your style of instruction does very well to that end.
I agree with Brad W, and honestly the detail challenges my ability to focus on one idea for more than 1 minute, something most people just cant do now adays. Their is a flow and sometimes you break the flow but it is what it is, you're human and your videos help the rio low stakes community tremendously.
Hello Henry, listening to your thoughts about 3bet pot at 9-40 min QJo vs AJ. Actually monker ranges 3betting range vs 2,5bb offsuited QJ(10%),KJ(14%),KQ(24%)AT(15%)AJ(13)AQ(17).
I certainly agree that vs smaller size we likely almost never 3betting those but villian 3bet is reasonable at some point. Though postflop it is quiestionable
Main takeaway though if we do 3bet those they are never go for small size like 4x or 10bb vs 2.5bb. They more tend to go 12bb 13,5bb
The frequencies are very low in my monker ranges for 2.5x to 12.5x and for simplification purposes I personally recommend tuning them down to 0% unless you wish to specifically RNG a 3-6% frequency (which they are in 200z solved rake environment). Given the rake is likely higher as this is 100nl I would predict these frequencies get driven down to 0% 3bet.
Hey, thanks for response. I'd like to clarify if rake is higher 3betting huge makes more sense to me, so shouldn't they 3bet more(tiny more)?
IP will be willing to fold more as well because of rake issues, however one side note because rake is higher IP should be raising tighter so therefore frequecny again should drop xD
Thank you very much for the review, Henry. Some immediate leaks that you've picked up on that I can start to implement fixes on immediately. Awesome stuff ��
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I simmed this spot with a lot of different betting options: 10,28,45,66,115, and interestingly Pio converges on using the 10% size for range. I'm sure a 25% or 33% strategy wouldn't lose much EV but it's a nice option to have the b10 in your arsenal.
brick turn after flat
Hey ctrlplay! The reason why pio is only opting for the 10% sizing is because the only raise sizing allowed for OOP is 40%. And as we can see when we bet when we bet 10% (22 chips), the maximum OOP can raise is to 126 chips, which give us a very good price to call in position and realize equity even when we do get raised considering the pot odds we will be getting. In general when we do allow the solver to have this extremally small betsizings we should give the opponent more raising options and bigger sizings otherwise will just create a strategical inbalance towards small betting since we can't ever get ''punished''.
It could be that on this specific spot/board 10% is actually a prefered sizing even when you allow multiple raising options (I didn't run it to test it out), but overall that is usually the trend of how we want to run trees when allowing very small betsizings, so thought it would be nice to share :)
Nice feedback Peteeeeer
I added more raise options for both players and reran the sim. It turns out that it doesn't change the results in the sim because the small OOP size is the one that is converged to in this case, but it's definitely something I should have considered.
1) 8 min mark (screen shot above) Henry Lister mentioned you want a blocker to calling range AxJc (think this hand folds pre) but to your point, I would wanna unblock the flush draws to get value from worse hands like KQhc, QJhc type hands. Also not holding Diamonds or Hearts if opponent has a hand AcKh it makes it more likely opponent is not bluffing since they are blocking some of the flush draws. If hero thinks villain has high amount of AK AQ in range, then looking to stab flop and barrel turn / river as I expect a lot of QQ+ to check raise, where AK AQ may check call and fold to future aggression. You also mentioned 55 for hero could be betting the turn. Are these hands checking back on the flop? Would think a protection bet is in order with most pairs? Maybe I'm front loading aggression too much. Thank you clarification. I thought blocking flush draws on the flop in order to bet, then unblocking on turns was the strategy.
2) 35 MIN(screen shot above). You mentioned both players having J10, so don't want to really have an over betting strategy, but if you were to over bet, would look like over bet some 4hXh hands. To go with this on the Q94Khh board, Would you also be over betting hands like AJ, AT, T8s with straight blocker? Lastly would you be splitting your sizing here, where 75% can include more K10, KJ, AK, type holdings, maybe some sets, then bigger bets (over bets) include more straights JxTx (no heart) and bluffs being flush draws and gut shots?
Are you going to make a part 2? I'm enjoying the student videos you and Peter have made. I think the in-depth was a good balance as well, not too much, but not too little.
1) I don't see where i said this in the video and have gone back over the hand in the video - I stated we can't have AJo here due to the formation. I agree it's okay betting AJ here given it's a better turn for us and we can fold out his ak-aq type hands. If we have a flush draw it generally favours betting more than betting this as we have more equity when called and fold equity is likely greater as our opponent wont have a flush draw to xcall with now (assuming villain does not xcall ak-aq here unblocking f draws which I assume people mostly xfold here)
2) I don't think we can go crazy here given both players have the nuts. However given the wetness of the texture equities run closer meaning I am also incentivised to go bigger with stronger hands in my range. I would guess we can use a variety of sizes and have some bigger bets but can't go crazy as OOP is well protected. Betting reasonable size with gutters and following through with them on the appropriate rivers where you have good removal (what suits do you block and what suit is the river) is always going to be a good play (referring to your comments on Aj-At-T8).
To clarify i think splitting of sizes is therefore allowed given the wetness of the texture but with OOP having plenty of good hands to continue with whilst not being completely capped we can't go completely crazy with overbet frequencies.
I have asked the staff at RIO to provide me with some more student content so hopefully more to come of these style of videos.
Excellent!
min 25.00
very very interesting when Henry explains what we should do against reg that cold call ip. All obviously very true, they 3bet AJo KQo, and cold call KQs JTs 9Ts 99 88 ... so often they have a range that doesn't fold to cbets, but using a check raise strategy for example is an idea that I involuntarily apply but now I would like to study in deep. can anyone add anything about it? I think these are too important concepts
Run simulations in piosolver applying these specific ranges for villain's range.
Just wanna say that I love your videos with tons of detail and nuance. I watch these in an attempt to adopt the thought process of a better player, and your style of instruction does very well to that end.
Many thanks!
I agree with Brad W, and honestly the detail challenges my ability to focus on one idea for more than 1 minute, something most people just cant do now adays. Their is a flow and sometimes you break the flow but it is what it is, you're human and your videos help the rio low stakes community tremendously.
Thanks for the kind words
Hello Henry, listening to your thoughts about 3bet pot at 9-40 min QJo vs AJ. Actually monker ranges 3betting range vs 2,5bb offsuited QJ(10%),KJ(14%),KQ(24%)AT(15%)AJ(13)AQ(17).
I certainly agree that vs smaller size we likely almost never 3betting those but villian 3bet is reasonable at some point. Though postflop it is quiestionable
Main takeaway though if we do 3bet those they are never go for small size like 4x or 10bb vs 2.5bb. They more tend to go 12bb 13,5bb
Cheers
The frequencies are very low in my monker ranges for 2.5x to 12.5x and for simplification purposes I personally recommend tuning them down to 0% unless you wish to specifically RNG a 3-6% frequency (which they are in 200z solved rake environment). Given the rake is likely higher as this is 100nl I would predict these frequencies get driven down to 0% 3bet.
Hey, thanks for response. I'd like to clarify if rake is higher 3betting huge makes more sense to me, so shouldn't they 3bet more(tiny more)?
IP will be willing to fold more as well because of rake issues, however one side note because rake is higher IP should be raising tighter so therefore frequecny again should drop xD
Thank you very much for the review, Henry. Some immediate leaks that you've picked up on that I can start to implement fixes on immediately. Awesome stuff ��
You're most welcome. Glad I could help!
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