Henry you are my favorite coach. I love how you explain and the skills you have. For me you are phenomenal. But I must tell you that in this video you played very badly. In the hands you lost you played like I never expected. I know you are obviously aware of it, but I don't like the phrase '' this is standard ''.
I mean :
Min: 6:00 KK is a check on flop. And on turn in no brain fold!
Min: 11.00 54dd is bet flop and give up
Min: 15:00 AK. Bet flop, bet or give up on turn, never bluff river, like you said with Kc
Min: 23.00 A5dd is a fold preflop. And on flop your bet / push is terrible. The real Henry bet folds or checks calls in this scenario. Maybe you're on tilt.
Min 42:00 I think it should be folded on the river.
Excuse me Henry, just because I have such high regard for you, I have seen all your videos and I have been waiting ten days for you to publish another one a few weeks ago.
But I don't really understand why you made this video! Or I just didn't understand anything about poker.
I think you're wrong about all of these spots except the last one and Henry's explanations were on the money here.
6:00 - If you're always checking back and giving up to big aggression you're missing value and getting bluffed way too by fishy players.
11:00 - If we're barreling off all our two pair+ for value we need something like 10 bluff combos on the river. It's really hard to find hands like that if we're playing one and done with stuff like 54s all of the time.
23:00 - A5s is something like 50% 3bet from BB against almost all positions. More against BTN. Pretty much all solver ranges include A5s at a high frequency in 3betting ranges.
Henry showed some bluffs that didn't go so well which I appreciate!
Mario V. not to be disrespectful but listen to how Henry describes the last player in the video pokerpro2.0 and how nitty he is. Reading your comments makes me think you play similar to him and only have a bunch of value hands for a marginal win rate with massive volume.
You may want to watch this video 2-3 more times as Henry is not trying to be ahead of the villain's hand, but put pressure on a some what capped range when deeper 150-190bb effective. This balances out the times Henry does have QQ+ and get paid off because he is not so face up. Also if you thought Henry was out of line, wait until you see some of the other coaches 500z videos and the hands they are bluffing with. You should subscribe to Elite for just one month, it can be pretty eye opening.
You likely don't understand anything about poker. Nearly all your comments are extremely off here.
I'm happy to answer specific questions but the majority of your negative comments are significantly incorrect. If you have specific 'questions' about certain spots please feel free to restructure your comments and I will do my best to reply as accurately and honestly as possible.
RunItTw1ce overall you are right and I want to take an elite month to see all this.
in all of henry's videos i have seen and learned spectacular things but never entirely out of place. Putting pressure with my hands out of line makes me feel like I'm out of balance. And this is no longer doing the right thing, but experimenting. I don't think it will increase the win rate. Henry Lister
Ok Henry tomorrow I studied these hands well with piosolver and reviewing the video well. I apologize if I was exaggerated in the comments. I repeat, for me you are an elite coach. I love you and maybe I just need to improve. I can also delete the comment if I am wrong. I believe in you and your videos have led me to increase the winrate.
Mario V. I wouldn't delete the comment. I would study the spots Henry was in and run them rough PIO as you mentioned. Come back to your comment after a week or two and see if you still agree with yourself. See if you grew any in poker learning experience. I think Henry's other videos have been so smooth, especially with zoom, we don't notice some of the things he is doing. These are just a select few hands taking from thousands of hands. Just have to remember Henry is playing a more exploitative style and not GTO. Trying to make the most money, not be the best player. He mentioned this 2-3 videos ago.
After reviewing the video three times, I'm ready to humbly apologize. I listened well to what Herny said and saw something on PIOsolver too. I was wrong and I was not constructive. I really hope you accept my apologies @HenryLister.
Min: 11.00 54dd I said `` bet flop and give up '' ... Now the key of the analysis is on the turn ... I don't understand but here I ask for your advice, why on the turn Pio says to do a second barrel with 78dd and 67dd and instead check with 54dd and 9Tdd. This is just help I ask. I'm surprised that by 3barrel on the river the opponent should fold: KQs, KJs, JTs, A3s-a5s, T9s ... And that's right, so many hands will fold. I wasn't expecting this honestly. Great lesson for me.
Min: 23.00 A5dd big mistake here for me. No need to add more. What you said is right, super interesting and I just say thank you ... I was on tilt for the hands seen before, with a cold mind I'm also ashamed of what I commented.
Min: 15:00 AK you explained very well in the comments below so I ask no more.
Only one hands do not continue to understand ������.
1) Min: 6:00 KK should be a check flop. I mean I'd check the whole range here. I say this because we have range disadvantage on that board. Clearly if the opponent on the turn after
x / x flop on turn:
-if he donk jam, I'd call it.
-if he bets 1/3 I would call it with KdKx
-if he bets 1/3 i'll jam KK no diamonds.
I don't delete my bad initial post because there is nothing better for a person being questioned than having an apologetic post. Sincerity.
Min: 11.00 54dd I said `` bet flop and give up '' ... Now the key of
the analysis is on the turn ... I don't understand but here I ask for
your advice, why on the turn Pio says to do a second barrel with 78dd
and 67dd and instead check with 54dd and 9Tdd. This is just help I
ask.
On this board the 54d will still beat some T9d and hero wants to unblock the middle part of villains range T-8. Also some time's PIO just polarized the turn and bet's bottom of the range with hands that have zero equity. If turn size is big size, just betting top of range and bottom of range. Some times you'll see PIO bluffing with 44-22 on 3 high card boards because it's bottom of their range and unblock all the middling pairs. Personally I prefer to have a blocker, but understand what PIO Is doing, taking it's low SDV hands and turning them into bluffs. I wouldn't try and follow PIO exactly! but focus more on the general idea of what your pool is doing. Usually humans over fold to aggression, so can't go wrong with over bluffing too often for multiple barrels. If you have Elite membership, you should check out Tyler's video on double barreling in 3 bet pots.
Here is the link. This video may open your eyes a little bit as well. I'm glad you came back and analyzed the play a few times. You may have to do it in Tyler's video as well.
Hey Henry, enjoyed the video.
One question about the AK hand (min 15 to 21). Would you say that when the wheel comes and you bet small some Axdd that flat flop will be continuing making As Ah a better A to have? Sorry if this is something obviously wrong, I'm really bad at 4bet pots, working on it.
Thanks for your time!
I think all of the AK combos have merits on the turn because A-K clubs blocks his flush draws giving you a higher ev triple off on clubs and mitigating his club draws increasing turn fold equity. Also because of the formation AQo is likely 100% in button's range meaning you still block some TPTK regardless of the suit.
Alternatively having AK without a club but as/ah instead will have good blocker effects to KQs and AQs blocking more of villain's top pair hands (turn continues) giving it good blocker effects.
Generally all AK combos should be bet at some frequency on the turn here as a result of this with their frequency to fire river being dependent on what the river card is and what you block by the river. I.e If you hold the Ackx and the river falls a club you are more inclined to shove river, whilst when the club draw bricks you are more inclined to give up with this combination blocking his folding range and unblocking his suited Qx calling range.
Essentially, when thinking of betting turn you should do this on the premise of 1) good blocker effects to opponent's continuing range 2) good unblockers to his folding range 3) good equity (so you just win alot anyway even if he calls)
AK is sometimes ahead and thus has good equity regardless of suits. It also has decent blocker effects as it blocks some top pairs regardless of suits and sometimes flush draws. Therefore all AK combos will be bet at some non 0% frequency due to their properties vs villain's range of hands.
Went a little hard on PokerPro2.0 there at the end. Kind of put his stats on blast, not sure if he is a member or not. You came a bit salty from losing the hand, but I guess a little tough love never hurt anyone.
Some reason this reminded me of the 8 mile Rap battles when you were talking shit about pokerpro2.0
I said he was a decent reg and gave him significant credit for 8 tabling zoom which is something I would not be able to do successfully in today's games. I have high respect for this.
However I'm not going to put other regs on a pedestal and will analyse the stats and information accordingly to make content that I hope is better for you guys here on the site. I would expect nothing less from other regs if they were producing coaching content against me.
While the 3b jam is an ok play, a smaller flop 3b puts a lot more pressure on villain's 88-JJ range that they'll probably be overplaying by raising too often. They'll also likely be making large calling mistakes, and you can jam most turns. Worst turns are Q, 6 and 7 for your range.
In theory, you pretty much nailed the A5 hand I ran in the solver (except solver clicks it back doesn't jam) but in practice, I think villain is way under bluffing. I don't think people ever take say T9, QJ, QT, 98 bdfd and turn it into a bluff and he's not even supposed to raise OP's here at all which means his range is even stronger. so considering all this I think that never bluffing here might be okay vs population since the ev's between call and click back are similar.
Henry Lister : just a population question:
Do you think people on 200z already bluff enough?
Like you said, are you folding now more exploitatively on rivers where opponents don't bluff enough?
Like your analysis on the TT hand. You congratulate your opponent and also explaining your mistake and his mistakes.
Thanks for the great content. I'm a winning NL25 player and I think your thinking is absolutely bang on in most cases.
I also want to really give you a thumbs up for putting in hands which you think were played badly. I like to see more coaches doing stuff like that. It gives you guys a more human look. :)
I can't comment on the overall 200z meta much as I predominantly play 1k+. I would assume the pool on average significantly under bluffs and overfolds in general.
Hope you enjoy the content and I look forward to producing more for the site.
Henry Lister Thanks man for continuing to produce quality videos and speaking honestly to help us despite having to deal with trolls and -x bb/100 players tell you your playing poker wrong.
last month I got 2400 from the challenges on ps and that was the maximum, I think the max you can get from the challenges changes every month I guess. But they have definitely changed it for this month
After the 4b our range is capped to 54s and KJs otr right? Or would we be jamming AA, QQ otr? I personally would. But our nutted range is so narrow, so isn't it pretty easy to find a call otr with lets say AQ?
7:40: KK - Do you think jamming turn is ever an option?(or better than calling) Is there any river that comes off that you fold to the last $100 facing a jam? Or just calling and stacking on any river?
29:25 when facing that flop raise in the fold, do you guys think it’s bad to fold? I feel like it’s underbluffed by pop but I could be wrong of course. I guess if we don’t think we can call a raisers should X flop
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Henry you are my favorite coach. I love how you explain and the skills you have. For me you are phenomenal. But I must tell you that in this video you played very badly. In the hands you lost you played like I never expected. I know you are obviously aware of it, but I don't like the phrase '' this is standard ''.
I mean :
Min: 6:00 KK is a check on flop. And on turn in no brain fold!
Min: 11.00 54dd is bet flop and give up
Min: 15:00 AK. Bet flop, bet or give up on turn, never bluff river, like you said with Kc
Min: 23.00 A5dd is a fold preflop. And on flop your bet / push is terrible. The real Henry bet folds or checks calls in this scenario. Maybe you're on tilt.
Min 42:00 I think it should be folded on the river.
Excuse me Henry, just because I have such high regard for you, I have seen all your videos and I have been waiting ten days for you to publish another one a few weeks ago.
But I don't really understand why you made this video! Or I just didn't understand anything about poker.
I think you're wrong about all of these spots except the last one and Henry's explanations were on the money here.
6:00 - If you're always checking back and giving up to big aggression you're missing value and getting bluffed way too by fishy players.
11:00 - If we're barreling off all our two pair+ for value we need something like 10 bluff combos on the river. It's really hard to find hands like that if we're playing one and done with stuff like 54s all of the time.
23:00 - A5s is something like 50% 3bet from BB against almost all positions. More against BTN. Pretty much all solver ranges include A5s at a high frequency in 3betting ranges.
Henry showed some bluffs that didn't go so well which I appreciate!
Mario V. not to be disrespectful but listen to how Henry describes the last player in the video pokerpro2.0 and how nitty he is. Reading your comments makes me think you play similar to him and only have a bunch of value hands for a marginal win rate with massive volume.
You may want to watch this video 2-3 more times as Henry is not trying to be ahead of the villain's hand, but put pressure on a some what capped range when deeper 150-190bb effective. This balances out the times Henry does have QQ+ and get paid off because he is not so face up. Also if you thought Henry was out of line, wait until you see some of the other coaches 500z videos and the hands they are bluffing with. You should subscribe to Elite for just one month, it can be pretty eye opening.
You likely don't understand anything about poker. Nearly all your comments are extremely off here.
I'm happy to answer specific questions but the majority of your negative comments are significantly incorrect. If you have specific 'questions' about certain spots please feel free to restructure your comments and I will do my best to reply as accurately and honestly as possible.
RunItTw1ce overall you are right and I want to take an elite month to see all this.
in all of henry's videos i have seen and learned spectacular things but never entirely out of place. Putting pressure with my hands out of line makes me feel like I'm out of balance. And this is no longer doing the right thing, but experimenting. I don't think it will increase the win rate.
Henry Lister
Ok Henry tomorrow I studied these hands well with piosolver and reviewing the video well. I apologize if I was exaggerated in the comments. I repeat, for me you are an elite coach. I love you and maybe I just need to improve. I can also delete the comment if I am wrong. I believe in you and your videos have led me to increase the winrate.
Mario V. I wouldn't delete the comment. I would study the spots Henry was in and run them rough PIO as you mentioned. Come back to your comment after a week or two and see if you still agree with yourself. See if you grew any in poker learning experience. I think Henry's other videos have been so smooth, especially with zoom, we don't notice some of the things he is doing. These are just a select few hands taking from thousands of hands. Just have to remember Henry is playing a more exploitative style and not GTO. Trying to make the most money, not be the best player. He mentioned this 2-3 videos ago.
After reviewing the video three times, I'm ready to humbly apologize. I listened well to what Herny said and saw something on PIOsolver too. I was wrong and I was not constructive. I really hope you accept my apologies @HenryLister.
Min: 11.00 54dd I said `` bet flop and give up '' ... Now the key of the analysis is on the turn ... I don't understand but here I ask for your advice, why on the turn Pio says to do a second barrel with 78dd and 67dd and instead check with 54dd and 9Tdd. This is just help I ask. I'm surprised that by 3barrel on the river the opponent should fold: KQs, KJs, JTs, A3s-a5s, T9s ... And that's right, so many hands will fold. I wasn't expecting this honestly. Great lesson for me.
Min: 23.00 A5dd big mistake here for me. No need to add more. What you said is right, super interesting and I just say thank you ... I was on tilt for the hands seen before, with a cold mind I'm also ashamed of what I commented.
Min: 15:00 AK you explained very well in the comments below so I ask no more.
Only one hands do not continue to understand ������.
1) Min: 6:00 KK should be a check flop. I mean I'd check the whole range here. I say this because we have range disadvantage on that board. Clearly if the opponent on the turn after
x / x flop on turn:
-if he donk jam, I'd call it.
-if he bets 1/3 I would call it with KdKx
-if he bets 1/3 i'll jam KK no diamonds.
I don't delete my bad initial post because there is nothing better for a person being questioned than having an apologetic post. Sincerity.
Mario V.
On this board the 54d will still beat some T9d and hero wants to unblock the middle part of villains range T-8. Also some time's PIO just polarized the turn and bet's bottom of the range with hands that have zero equity. If turn size is big size, just betting top of range and bottom of range. Some times you'll see PIO bluffing with 44-22 on 3 high card boards because it's bottom of their range and unblock all the middling pairs. Personally I prefer to have a blocker, but understand what PIO Is doing, taking it's low SDV hands and turning them into bluffs. I wouldn't try and follow PIO exactly! but focus more on the general idea of what your pool is doing. Usually humans over fold to aggression, so can't go wrong with over bluffing too often for multiple barrels. If you have Elite membership, you should check out Tyler's video on double barreling in 3 bet pots.
Here is the link. This video may open your eyes a little bit as well. I'm glad you came back and analyzed the play a few times. You may have to do it in Tyler's video as well.
https://www.runitonce.com/poker-training/videos/tyler-forrester-nlhe-3-bet-pots-double-barrels-oop/
Hey Henry, enjoyed the video.
One question about the AK hand (min 15 to 21). Would you say that when the wheel comes and you bet small some Axdd that flat flop will be continuing making As Ah a better A to have? Sorry if this is something obviously wrong, I'm really bad at 4bet pots, working on it.
Thanks for your time!
I think all of the AK combos have merits on the turn because A-K clubs blocks his flush draws giving you a higher ev triple off on clubs and mitigating his club draws increasing turn fold equity. Also because of the formation AQo is likely 100% in button's range meaning you still block some TPTK regardless of the suit.
Alternatively having AK without a club but as/ah instead will have good blocker effects to KQs and AQs blocking more of villain's top pair hands (turn continues) giving it good blocker effects.
Generally all AK combos should be bet at some frequency on the turn here as a result of this with their frequency to fire river being dependent on what the river card is and what you block by the river. I.e If you hold the Ackx and the river falls a club you are more inclined to shove river, whilst when the club draw bricks you are more inclined to give up with this combination blocking his folding range and unblocking his suited Qx calling range.
Essentially, when thinking of betting turn you should do this on the premise of 1) good blocker effects to opponent's continuing range 2) good unblockers to his folding range 3) good equity (so you just win alot anyway even if he calls)
AK is sometimes ahead and thus has good equity regardless of suits. It also has decent blocker effects as it blocks some top pairs regardless of suits and sometimes flush draws. Therefore all AK combos will be bet at some non 0% frequency due to their properties vs villain's range of hands.
Went a little hard on PokerPro2.0 there at the end. Kind of put his stats on blast, not sure if he is a member or not. You came a bit salty from losing the hand, but I guess a little tough love never hurt anyone.
Some reason this reminded me of the 8 mile Rap battles when you were talking shit about pokerpro2.0
I said he was a decent reg and gave him significant credit for 8 tabling zoom which is something I would not be able to do successfully in today's games. I have high respect for this.
However I'm not going to put other regs on a pedestal and will analyse the stats and information accordingly to make content that I hope is better for you guys here on the site. I would expect nothing less from other regs if they were producing coaching content against me.
min 28 543r 3bp BBvHJ deep stacks
While the 3b jam is an ok play, a smaller flop 3b puts a lot more pressure on villain's 88-JJ range that they'll probably be overplaying by raising too often. They'll also likely be making large calling mistakes, and you can jam most turns. Worst turns are Q, 6 and 7 for your range.
Always enjoy your comments
In theory, you pretty much nailed the A5 hand I ran in the solver (except solver clicks it back doesn't jam) but in practice, I think villain is way under bluffing. I don't think people ever take say T9, QJ, QT, 98 bdfd and turn it into a bluff and he's not even supposed to raise OP's here at all which means his range is even stronger. so considering all this I think that never bluffing here might be okay vs population since the ev's between call and click back are similar.
this is his raising range and I don't think people have anywhere near this at 200z
also, it does use the b75 size 55% thats because all Ax has a gut shot your range has a lot more equity than on higher connected boards
Henry Lister : just a population question:
Do you think people on 200z already bluff enough?
Like you said, are you folding now more exploitatively on rivers where opponents don't bluff enough?
Like your analysis on the TT hand. You congratulate your opponent and also explaining your mistake and his mistakes.
Thanks for the great content. I'm a winning NL25 player and I think your thinking is absolutely bang on in most cases.
I also want to really give you a thumbs up for putting in hands which you think were played badly. I like to see more coaches doing stuff like that. It gives you guys a more human look. :)
Thanks a lot
I can't comment on the overall 200z meta much as I predominantly play 1k+. I would assume the pool on average significantly under bluffs and overfolds in general.
Hope you enjoy the content and I look forward to producing more for the site.
You're most welcome.
Henry Lister Thanks man for continuing to produce quality videos and speaking honestly to help us despite having to deal with trolls and -x bb/100 players tell you your playing poker wrong.
Hello Henry,
thanks for your Videos. U talk about a rakeback challenge in the beginning. Is that still possible to do? If yes how can I sign up?
Best Regards
last month I got 2400 from the challenges on ps and that was the maximum, I think the max you can get from the challenges changes every month I guess. But they have definitely changed it for this month
It depends if stars gives you it. If so it will be in your challenges.
After the 4b our range is capped to 54s and KJs otr right? Or would we be jamming AA, QQ otr? I personally would. But our nutted range is so narrow, so isn't it pretty easy to find a call otr with lets say AQ?
Not capped, but what we're repping.
7:40: KK - Do you think jamming turn is ever an option?(or better than calling) Is there any river that comes off that you fold to the last $100 facing a jam? Or just calling and stacking on any river?
29:25 when facing that flop raise in the fold, do you guys think it’s bad to fold? I feel like it’s underbluffed by pop but I could be wrong of course. I guess if we don’t think we can call a raisers should X flop
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