$50 Zoom: 3-Tabling in Exploit Mode
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4:25 I punt so much $ in this spot! Also if MP opens and if Co / btn call and i'm SB / BB I tend to also squeeze. I seem to enjoy lighting $ on fire.
Its very interesting spot to be honest. With AQo I'm happily going 3bet/call against 23bb fish I'm expecting a lot of 55, ATo, KJo etc in his jaming range.
In situation above we have additional 4bb from dead money posted by MP and CO - dunno if this is not making AJo as decent squeeze/call?
It's a weird spot that comes down to how wide the original raiser is and the cold callers. In a live game I would squeeze here all day because the frequency in which I am 4 bet is too low combined with the fact that the cold callers' ranges will be too wide allowing me to attack the dead money in the pot. It is probably also similar here though and is a +EV sqz spot.
6:15 I was wondering if there is a point in not shoving here, perhaps only min raising, since only AX should call? Not sure how often Tx actually calls a shove. Was thinking we are just increasing the rake and only called when it's a chop?
8:55 MP opens 3x, co calls, hero folds 22 BTN. What is the lowest PP you are defending here? Also AXs and SCs? What does the bottom of your range look like? Very common spot for me....
11:35 QQ SB vs UTG 4bet I am losing a ton of money with QQ vs UTG / MP. 80%+ of the time I'm seeing KK+ and pool seems to be mostly just calling 3 bet with AK IP. There was a form post as well for like 500k hands where he showed getting money in QQ / JJ region was losing money when money went in preflop. I have also noticed some players min 5 betting rather than jamming... so 3bet 10bb, 4 bet 24bb, min 5 bet to 38bb... What do you think about this? Possible to 5 bet fold QQ at 38bb? Given 6 bet is like 95% KK+?
33:45 T#3 EP open 2.5bb, hero folds 88 in MP. I understand it doesn't quite get into 3 bet or fold strategy, where the bottom is 99, but here EP is tagged as weaker player and 155bb effective. Looking back would you still fold? Small 3 bet? cold call? I usually find myself VPIP 55+ here against weaker players and 77+ against regulars.
37:45 MP 2.5, CO 3bet 8bb, hero BB 4bet QQ 24.5bb, have 116bb effective. "hope not to get jammed on." Are you folding vs a jam? Treating cold 4 bet much differently vs 5 bet jam range much differently than 11:35 mark listed above where you were SB vs UTG and chose to 5 bet jam QQ yourself vs 4 bet.
AK from 6:15 - on nl50zoom you reach rake cap over 40$ pot, so in this situation you pay same rake, it doesnt matter if you minraise or raise 500bb. Anyway you are just hoping villain is fish and stackoff with Tx. I doubt reg will find a call with Tx anyway as he has a lot of Ax to call with.
QQ from 11:35 - Obviously QQ,JJ or AK are losing when you get it in preflop, but its not whole picture as you pick a lot of money from folds, but against stacking off range you have less than 45% equity(as you are crushed vs KK+) so its natural that all-in pre with QQ is 'losing' play as you win less than 45% stackoffs.
Jbarez Someone else mentioned in the forums regarding stacking off with QQ preflop, where 4 bet is 22-24bb in general, but said in his data base he is like like 15bb, so 9bb less than if he just folds to 5bet. Need a big sample to get enough data though.
1) Minraise might be better.
2) I think around 55-88/99 Sqz 99/tt+. Depends alot on stack depth, wekness of players infront of me and behind me to act.
3) I've heard ranges are too nitty here also but hard for me to know without a huge sample.
4) I really hate having a flatting range here so would want to 3b/fold. And given the high rake structure I think 88 still pure folds and 99 which is still going to pure most/if not pure fold with this rake structure we can exploitatively 3 bet if we believe our opponent is very weak. (ultimately tags do not matter here as the whole pool are going to be considered fish).
5) My opponent's jamming range should look like AKo-KK-AA kind of range. Our hand would be close vs a jam, probably a fold in this nittier pool. 5 bet Jamming QQ is much different to 4 bet calling off a 5 bet jam as this involves 3 players instead of 2 and we would be calling off the jam rather than jamming ourselves.
Wonder what you think about this range of hands. I notice some coaches are folding ATo and KJo from EP stating the rake is too big of an impact, some are also folding KJo in MP. I noticed you are opening these hands as well as some Q8o hands on the btn. The SCs seem to be played 65s+ from MP at 500z, but I think most players are folding these at lower stakes. Henry Lister Please provide any feed back for this RFI chart. This will be based on 2.2x sizing.
Also sorry for so many comments, but thank you in advance! or if others want to respond, that is fine as well. All advice is helpful! I'm a sponge for learning.
EDIT: Chart below is what I think you are using for RFI ranges at these lower stakes with weak players in the blinds who don't seem to fight enough for pots. Let me know if this perceived range is "correct."
Correct I am using a similar range to the bottom chart. I think you can get away with using the top chart for sure also. I would highly recommend opening wide on the button though as I doubt the pool defends enough nor 3 bets enough meaning you can likely open absurdly wide on the button in lower stake games.
Henry Lister How wide are we talking? I know Tyler forrester mentioned opening ATC in the SB and showing a 1bb/100 win rate with the bottom 20% of hands. Are we talking Any 2 suited cards? all KX+ QX+ and other J7o+ T7o+ 97o+ 54o+? Maybe something like chart below for btn? I am playing anonymous pool,so no one will get these stats on me as well. Just hope I don't leak a lot of money post flop with them.
19:00 pretty happy to see that you liked my bluff :)
Hahaha!!
11:40 - From my experience, LJ 4b range at 50NL is quite nitty, and think folding AKo is totally reasonable. Maybe just jam AKs/QQ+. Maybe even can fold QQ TBH. I find that alot of players here will flat AK from HJ and earlier, and often flat QQ as well, and then not find many if any bluff 4b's. So their ranges end up being quite KK+ heavy. Don't even think it's that bad because of the passive dynamic in the game.
Enjoyed the video man. You're for sure my favorite essential coach, and maybe overall. I always feel like I learn a lot and I'm never bored, or distracted by bunch of miscellaneous data on the screen.
Keep it up.
Thanks!!
hi Henry
In various videos I've heard you and other pros say they are not going to do something because "the formation this" or "the formation that."
what is "the formation" and how does it affect decision making in nlhe?
thanks
Formation - The positions of the players at the table (LJ-HJ considered tight formations while BU-BB are loose formations)
Looser the formation the wider the ranges which determines strategies for how light we can look to start putting money in the pot (particularly preflop)
ohhh k
so im guessing the formation refers to how wide the ranges look in something like flopzilla
wide vs tight or polar vs linear and everything in between
thanks !!
Great video. Passivity! Sorry... the passitivity was driving me nuts.
In this spot, if we assume a calling range like this one is it ok to cbet even 1/3 of the pot?
This is closer to the 3 bettors range than the defenders range. The defender will have some combinations of 87-54 and 66-44 here. His qq+ should pure 4 bet and JJ sometimes. And all of his AK should be 4 betting.
Therefore OOP has a sig equity disadvantage on this double broadway board as IP connects with it significantly better (and has an equity/range advantage from preflop)
on KK hand facing donk at 17:30, why is calling flop better than raising? I usually start raising flop thinking its the best way to max value vs pairs and draws
Raise seems better looking at this now.
23:35 - You have 44 BT vs EP open, SB has 50bb: why don't you call here? You will play much better than EP, and can get a lot from SB if you hit a set. Would it change something if there was a rec in the blinds with 100+ BBs?
this seems super marginal. Rake is very high at 50NL(6bb raked when all the money goes in). SB prob doesnt hit often w a wide range. BB can squeeze alot. If he had more money behind it becomes closer to a call IMO, especially if he is on BB instead so we get squeezed less often.
Great video, Henry, thank you !
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