Unorthodox Plays by my Opponents
Posted by Francesco Lacriola
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You mention the possibility of playing a 4bet or fold strategy in CO vs BTN situations. Would we not end up with far too high a 4bet%, or too high a fold to 3bet?
If we open say 25%, and need to defend almost half of that, we would end up 4betting something like 11-2%, much of which will have to fold to a 5bet.
I suppose I'm struggling to see how such a strategy would work, we would have to stack off lighter I'm guessing? Curious to hear more about the idea.
It is depends on villain sizing and honestly if we play 4bet/fold we can fold more than half (depending on 3bettor sizing).
As far as second one yes ~11% of 4bets - including 6% for value and rest bluffs. This strategy suppose to work only vs aggressive BU players. And it doesn't seems appealing to me, if rake is too high and Opponent playing perfect postflop gotta have merits.
Lets see what Francesco thinks
Hi, I used monker's ranges inputting the rake structure of the games I play. With higher rake you're not incentivized to develop flatting ranges and are more incentivized to play 4bet/fold strategies when OOP. This leads to interesting and aggressive preflop dynamics.
Regarding what to defend against a 5bet, you need to always consider what range you'll be up against when you face a shove. A hand might be profitable to 4bet and might be a BEvenish call in theory, but in practice can become a 4bet to fold. This doesn't mean 4betting won't be profitable, just that you will make more money when you get called/your opponents fold and you will save some money when you exploitatively fold to a shove.
Approaching such scenarios in a "I have to defend x% of my range", while showing thinking in terms of ranges, is not the highest EV approach. You need to defend all hands that will be plus EV and to fold hands which are minus EV defenses.
Or maybe I'm overestimating how much we need to defend vs a 3bet, I see from your 3bet flat range that you are only defending around 50 combos by calling, at the moment I'm defending almost twice that!
Would love to hear more about how you construct your 4bet range, at the moment I am 4betting 70 combos, all from the top left hand corner of the grid, and I can't see how to add to this without having way too many bet/folds.
+1, defending 4% by calling seems quite tight to me. As far as most regs 200-500z open ~25-30%
Both are good but if you want you can use CREV in combination with PIO to sorta nodelock for the type of hand like the TT one - get the flop ranges from PIO for example after 1 nodelock and then go to CREV for 2nd degree nodelocking and further. I have never done it but been thinking about would be interesting to see that cause I don't think there is a way to nodelock multiple streets in any solver.
awesome video
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