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Hand Review Using Piosolver

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Daniel Dvoress

POSTED Mar 11, 2016

Daniel takes a look at a hand in PIO solver and uses it to expand on general concepts.

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HMJ 9 years ago

enjoyed this vid, would like to see some summary at the end as its very information heavy

Gytis Bernatavičius 9 years ago

Nice vid, no dead time, looks like you were well prepared before doing it!
So the main reason to barrel blank turn w 88 without heart is weak opponent range overall, which also includes a lot of flush draws?

Daniel Dvoress 8 years, 11 months ago

Hi Gytis,

Could you clarify if you're asking why we prefer to check with the 8h and bet without, or if you're asking why we're betting a bunch in the first place?

Gytis Bernatavičius 8 years, 10 months ago

Didn't see your answer. I was asking which is main reason to bet 88 without 8h on blank turn and I give you my assumption (or it is yours from video, I don't remember exactly), cause it is of weak opponent range overall, which has a lot of combos to call one street, but not two? and his range includes a lot flush draws? is that right?

Zenful 9 years ago

Excellent video Daniel, great to see you de-spell some of the myths of playing an overcomplicated strategy and highlighting how a more simplified strategy can actually be more effective if villains optimal response isn't intuitive. Would be great to see more of these kind of videos!

Daniel Dvoress 9 years ago

Thanks!

Personally I enjoy making these types of videos the most, so if this gets a lot of positive feedback I'll be doing more stuff like this in the future.

SM0LK0 9 years ago

Great video, Daniel!
I think that we probably bet turn with 88 that contains clubs because they not blocking his 87ss and 87dd as hard as 88sd, so if he continuing calling with 87ss, 87dd we want to not block them to get more value.

But if he folds them idk

ps: also 8c doesn't block any of bdfd

Daniel Dvoress 8 years, 11 months ago

also 8c doesn't block any of bdfd

I think this nails it. The difference is tiny but important to remember context for things like this - if Pio determines that it should bet 88 half the time on the turn there is no reason no to select that entire weight from 3 specific combos even if they are only very marginally better.

Jonathan Kohen 9 years ago

definitely top 3 videos you've made. The trend with a lot of these instructors is to complicated the game tree in order to increase expectations. Nice to see the other side of the road in a clear manner. Keep these up.

pacmang 9 years ago

Hi Daniel, thanks! I very much enjoyed the video. I would love to see more Pio videos from you.

Question, ok so now that you've found out in Pio that betting 100% is pretty decent strategy, do you actually go to the tables and start applying this? or do you stilll revert to the more complicated traditional strategy.

Currently I'm having a bit of problem taking some conclusive lines from Pio onto the felt and I feel its a psychological thing due to the brain's conditioning process. Do you have any thoughts or suggestions?

Daniel Dvoress 8 years, 11 months ago

Hi pacmang,

Question, ok so now that you've found out in Pio that betting 100% is pretty decent strategy, do you actually go to the tables and start applying this?

In this particular instance, yes. Sometimes no. More on how I differentiate below.

Currently I'm having a bit of problem taking some conclusive lines from Pio onto the felt and I feel its a psychological thing due to the brain's conditioning process. Do you have any thoughts or suggestions?

First you need to figure out if you actually need to take Pio's suggestions to the tables, and to make that decision you need to think about how well villains will play versus your lines in real life. I used to be a huge fan of complicating the game tree - the logic being that if I'm better than my opponents the more complex the game tree the more likely they are to make more mistakes relative to me.

I've eased up on that view, because sometimes it's simply not true. This hand is a good example. That a 100% cbet strategy is a less complex game than a 60% cbet strategy is an objective fact - but if you look at the solution we see that very likely villain will be playing us as though we were cbetting 60% even if we do in fact cbet 100%, and this will be a mistake of relevant magnitude because his x/r will be a fraction of what it's supposed to be versus our actual strategy. Sometimes villains will adjust worse versus a simpler strategy, and this is a good example of that. There's even a bonus here - by using such a simple strategy you ensure that you yourself do not make a mistake on the flop.

As far as you getting over your psychological issue, if you start thinking in terms of identifying good lines that actually make EV from your opponents in ways you can intuitively understand you won't have a problem taking solutions to the felt. I would say the biggest barrier to implementing a strategy is being uncomfortable because you don't fully understand it (not what it is in terms of mechanics but how it exploits particular things).

Hope I helped!

Juan Copani 8 years, 11 months ago

Excellent video Daniel, would be nice to see how much your EV increases once villain starts to play a more passive line than he should once you cbet 100% of the time.

mgentili 9 years ago

great vid! looking forward to seeing more of this in the future! also would have been interesting to see how much the overall EV rose compared to the first trees after you determined that he wasn't ch/r enough vs your 100% cbet strategy

Daniel Dvoress 8 years, 11 months ago

Hey,

Sorry for the delayed reply - I've been on vacation. Do you use PioSolver yourself? I can give you a link to the file if you wanted to play around with it. If not, I'm going to pull up the solve and take a look when I'm home.

Dan Smith 9 years ago

Can you please elaborate on what the 42% x/r strategy in the CO would look like? What sizing does it use. Does button ever make a non allin 3bet on the flop? Thanks!

Sai 8 years, 10 months ago

Excellent video , I apologize if i'm missing something : the last screen of the video ( where we see that 88 should be bluffing around 50 % of the time) tell us that when we 2barrel hands like A4s , A9o , ATs and AJo we should bet like always this hands for value ( is that true or am i missing something ? becouse It seems strange that you have not talked about this, so i think i didn't understand the screen). I feel that it can't be +ev to valuebet 3streets ( with 90 % river frequency ) with this hands becouse we will get called ( probably always ) from a better hand and i don't think a Q herocalls enough us for make this a profitable "value3barrell"( im pretty sure it's not happening in real games ). Can you explain me something about this ?

Btw I would make you my sincere congratulations . You are a great instructor.
ps: Sorry for my english !!!

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