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High Stakes PLO Hand Review (featuring hands vs Phil and durrrr)

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Hac Dang

POSTED Sep 04, 2013

Hac returns with a review of four nosebleed PLO hands. He focused on situations where taking a more passive line with a strong hand can be beneficial for your entire range.

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MorePower 11 years, 4 months ago

Nice vid, but I have 2 spots I want to mention. The Hand against FaKeOrReaL on the River you say its a pretty easy shove .I think its not good or at least very close. 

First of all, you and Villain will have way more straights given the action that you both have checked the flop and all the action went on the turn. Even though you show that you are capable to delay your flop range to the turn. So even when he dont has the str8, he cant call that light because the most recent draw got there.

The 2nd thing is, that you say you expect him to donk all his straights. I think this is accurate but when you valueshove that light, there is no made Hand which you will raise on the Turn and not jam on this River. So he will not loose any EV from your made hands by c/calling and two big benifits are that you cannot fold some made hands to his shove and still are able to bluff.

Maybe there are other reasons to shove here, but I think these two points have to be a big consideration.

To the Hand against Ronny, you say that you dont like it because he is only bluffing for half of the Pot which is right, but at the same time his bluffing Range gets way more stronger. Your suggested c/r Range there is bare AA und AJ,but when his Range there is AA, AJ and some K high straights he can bluff with a higher frequency even his AA's because your odds to the Pot change significantly. Now you call sometimes for a split too and not only against the nutzor a bluff. So you have to tighten up there a lot in your calling Range. Basicly the same reason which makes the shove arguable makes him very good and tough to play against. :-)

DirtyD 11 years, 4 months ago

"so you have to tighten up there a lot in your calling range"

I think the opposite is true. I assume we're never bet-calling a hand worse than a K-high straight. Obviously our K-high straights have 50% equity against the part of his bluffing range that's made up of K-hi straights. Because of pot odds, we need less than 50% to call it off. So the more K-hi straights he puts in his check-shoving range, the more it pushes our equity towards 50% against his overall range, moving it towards a call. That all changes if we want to bet-call sets, but I don't think we're looking to do that anyway.

Hac Dang 11 years, 4 months ago

Being tough against isn't a good justification for making a play.  He wants to analyze whether or not raising and getting me to fold out hands that chop with him > him sticking in a ton of extra bets when I have the nuts.  I argue that it doesn't.

Hac Dang 11 years, 4 months ago

As far as the hand with FakeorReal, considering that we're betting very small relative to the pot when we shove on the river (and he doesn't have the opportunity to bluff raise), he's going to have to defend with a lot more stuff than just straights there. I believe this makes our value shove with 2 pair profitable. This also combined with the fact that you agree he's shoving all of his straights into us makes me feel like its correct to shove. I think you could argue it would be closer spot if villain decided to check/call with his straights.

DirtyD 11 years, 4 months ago


Re: the bluff with the K-high straight in the last hand, while it's true that he has less to gain bluffing with the one-card straight than with a weaker hand, since he could often claim half the pot by calling, it's also true that he has less to lose because even when he gets looked up he'll sometimes chop the pot. To look at it another way, if he could see your hand and it was a K-hi straight, he would check-shove every time because he's free rolling for a scoop. Not sure what that means as far as a good strategy goes, but there are certainly arguments for both sides.

MorePower 11 years, 4 months ago

@Dirty, having 50% against a bluffing Range ist pretty bad and thats what I mentioned. Normally you will bluff catch and scoop the Pot or loose it.

But you cant be sure with die 50% because you do not know the frequencies or how he has weighted his Range. If you compare 2 c/rPot Ranges:
1. 15%AA, 20%KJ, 65%AJ

2. 35%AA, 65% AJ

Its easy to figure out that you will get a better Prize against the 2nd Range even that he is still bluffing with 35%.

DirtyD 11 years, 4 months ago

Clearly if he replaces air with the second nuts that strengthens his range, but that's not necessarily the relevant comparison. In order to achieve that he has to take hands that are profitable calls (KJ) and turn them into bluffs, while check-folding hands (AA) that were potentially profitable check-raise bluffs.

 If he kept the same 65:35 ratio of AJ:AA, but simply added combos of KJ, that would push us towards a call.

Peter Jennings 11 years, 4 months ago

Question about the KQ65 hand ... you said you would like to chk back flop and raise turn to protect your chk back range.  My question is, are there any hands that you would chk back flop in order to go call turn/call river or call turn/jam river?

And about the AJ75 hand vs ronny, since you said the bb is the spot at the table, do you think it's ever correct for SB in that spot to just flat 100% of his range?

BoTaRo 11 years, 3 months ago

I can't find any better coaching video at this site. From now on I'm a big fan of your stuff Hac ! Thx u :)


Also I suggest 6max plo video live or hh review yahhhhhaaaa :)

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