High Stakes PLO Hand Review
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On the last hand, would you consider betting bigger to keep your range more polarized? I do agree that a smaller bet is more likely to be called by Esvedra who seems to be "fishier". However, do you think a bigger bet would be perceived by HoboKing to be more of a "nuts or nothing" situation in which he would bluff catch with his likely fairly strong made hand thinking we could have the naked As? Do you think HoboKing bluff catches with his set/straight enough to try to elicit a call from him or do you think we have the best chance of getting called by Esvedra who likely has a looser calling range OTR? Of course, as played HoboKing turns his top set into a bluff which leaves us in a tough spot, which betting bigger might have prevented as he'll be bluff raising less and value raising more given that you'll have better odds to call with a bigger bet.
If we lead pot, it does put us in a nuts or nothing situation. I think at the time I felt that leading small, Esvedra might even call with a straight (I'm quite the optimist). I also think that if I lead pot, HK may never call with a bluff catcher, because as a reg, he knows that I wouldn't bluff like that with Esvedra still in the pot when he very well could call with any flush.
Basically I don't think I bluff pot often in that spot to create value from a bluff catching call from HK.
Also, with my bet size, I would 100% fold if Esvedra decided to ship. However, if I bet pot, it probably still should be a fold, but I'd probably talk myself into a call and feel silly afterward.
i love how specific you get in hands in this video, there is sooooooooooo much uncharted territory of thought in plo and room for creativity. your ability to explain the importance of balancing without "overbalancing" or de-optimizing on the first hand was great. i, for one, want to be on the frontier when poker gets to a place where we talk for an hour about the difference between a k98 flop and a k87 and a k67 flop ektc...there are so many minutia in this game and im sure some people will tell you to speed up/do more hands but i want you to keep making videos with 5 hands and explain as much detail as you can possibly think of. LOVED IT. j8 rly ez fold tho but u admitted that.
Lets not talk about K87 v K67 for an hour just yet, I barely made it through my own 30 minute video, haha.
Thanks a bunch, and yes, J8 easy fold!
I really liked the fact that you went into details specifically going over the pros and cons of each option on each street. I'm an advocate for shorter videos because my attention span seems to be lacking. But I felt like I could use another hand in this video. So maybe 3 total?
I've also found myself in similar spots on this type of river where I felt like if I were to bet it'll be hard to get called since I look pretty strong betting into a board like that twice. so I don't really like a polarized bet size here. I like the small bet but against regs they get you into a tough decision like HoboKing did. I really like his shove but too bad it was against u! Well done
Shorter videos are great, but not too short.
And, HK played the hand pretty well, I was as close to indifferent on calling or folding as possible.
Ty for the comment
I think a lead is mandatory. The pots big enough in relation to stacks that we dont care about deception, and balance much. We just need to get value from draws, worse made hands. As you stated checking thru would be terrible for us.
However, I think leading turn will have some complications. Suppose we don't lead full pot and go for say 60-70%. Both players will shove on us with better hands and with the majority of their draws they can still call. Once they do this we will be left with something between 1-0.4 PSB on the river and there will be like half the deck we will turn our hand face up and check. We would put ourselves in a position to make a mistake here.
Even if we do full pot, the last player is deep enough to just call and be left with roughly 1-1 PSB to take our hand off the river. This on top of us being 100% stacked by better hands when we lead.
At this point I'm not big on leading turn.
And if HJ folds and CO calls, pot will be 6k with 4k back. His made hand range will be jamming turn and if we get flatted his range is narrowed specifically to strong draws. We can easily c/f any spade Q, or 7. It won't be that tough to play.
The other balance issue is what it does for our checking range. If we lead our monster draws and top two+, we are pretty much always c/f to a single decent sized bet.
Will we be seeing any current videos from you on the barcode account? I think it would be rly cool to see a couple videos done where you and Phil each make a video discussing the same hands from the same session you both played in from your different perspectives.
@joseph i personally don't think there are many players who ever bet-fold this hand vs a player who raised the flop. The worst hands he calls our flopraise with have some equity versus our perceived range, so bet-folding those will be a pretty bad play on his part. And a river 4, 5, 6 or j, might cost you 20k value if he checks behind. So i was wondering whats hac's reasoning was.
@hac, another question. Is your raise small range on the flop in the 5669 just wraps, sets and air, or do you also like it with top two? Or do you like to do it with like 789j'ish (and do you stack off if he ships)? So do you have both a raise small and a pot flop range. Your answer is hugely important to whether he ever bet-folds turn
When the 9665 hand happened, I didn't shove the turn because I did think villain could bet/fold the turn to a shove. I didn't think he'd bet/call a lot of his 2 pair range, so I felt his bets consisted of nuts or hands with few outs (pair/gutty, jxxx, etc).
Joeri, you make a valid point that a bad river card could cost value. At the time, I felt the calling the turn, and leaving him with 21k to fire into a 38k river pot (if he's indeed bluffing) was worth more than the value I could gain from shoving the turn. And fwiw, at the time, I don't think xwink perceived my flop check raise as only air/set.
And yes, I would totally shove the river if it wasn't capped!
I'm gonna be making only PLO for now. Thanks for watching!
Very nice video. Maybe an idea is to make an idea heads up vs another runitonce pro?
hac, great first video, I'm curious on the last hand as to what your sizing is with the K-hi flush and the A-hi flush, I am guessing you play the K-hi flush similarly, then w/ the A-hi flush are you going a little larger, does balance matter a bunch here, are you then maybe turning a few combos in to bluffs w/ the same size as the A-hi flush, do you keep this sizing to induce bluff shoves as you did?
Not sure why but even though you seem to know your PLO I expected this video to be bad. It definetly wasnt! +++++
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