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Grayson Ramage

POSTED Jan 22, 2013

Grayson focuses on his early/mid tourney VP$IP hands in the first video of a 3 part series.

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dantonius18 12 years, 2 months ago
What made you think his CIb was strong at 13:00? Theres a bunch of shorties and your gray31 on button.....
Grayson Ramage 12 years, 1 month ago
I definitely see your point, but I think the presence of short-stacks makes my 3bet look stronger, and as a result his 4bet look even stronger. My play is definitely far from standard in this spot, but in game I thought it was the best line to take.
Fanov 12 years, 2 months ago
Hi Grayson, another great vid, I really enjoy your series and I think they're one of the best on this site. I have another question if you don't mind:

At 21:27 you defend the BB with 17-18bb eff. stacks against UTG+1 raise. There seems to be a lot of different theories about those shallow defends. I have watched almost all MTT videos here and I know some other coachs would be more inclined to fold offsuited broadways (exept maybe KQo) and small pp with these stacks. Considering that opener is UTG+1, and that since we're OOP with 18bb, arent you afraid to value town yourself since if we hit a good pair, we're probably going with it most of the times? Also, we are very limited to what we can do postflop. Floating will be hard, and we rep broadways so much that Gambit should not have much trouble playing the hand.

I'd like your input on this if possible. Keep on making great videos, I really look foward the rest of this tournament. Sorry for my not so good english.

Fanov
Grayson Ramage 12 years, 1 month ago
Thanks Fanov, this is definitely a close spot, and against a lot of players I would fold. The fact that there are a lot of short-stacks left to act likely makes Gambit's opening range tighter, but he is still opening much wider than most so I think it is fine to defend here. That said, this is the worst offsuit Kx that I would defend. I do agree with your thinking that my hand is relatively face-up when I defend here, but I am getting such a great price that I still think it is the right play in this situation.
strgiostri 12 years, 1 month ago
Hi Grayson,
At around 40:00, with the 87ss at the 38T board, I usually go for the c/r on the flop, I think it prevents us from getting into difficult spots like that on the turn, what do you think?
Congratz on the great video
Grayson Ramage 12 years, 1 month ago
That's an interesting point strgiostri, I think that is a good option in this spot especially due to his small flop sizing which makes it cheaper for us to c/r and also more likely that he will be weak.
Misha Savinov 12 years, 1 month ago
Hi Grayson, thanks for the videos! Was really impressed by your light 3/4betting sequence at the second part, a kind of levelling war "he won't dare to reraise me light again", which gave you quite a crazy image with some interest. My question, however, is about the KJo hand at 26:20. You are intending to raise-fold it, how wide do you think one can RF at that spot?

I am looking for the ways to improve my game with under 18 bbs stacks, what would you advice to look for other than perfect pushbot and resteal frequencies?
Grayson Ramage 12 years, 1 month ago
Thanks BadSeed, I think you can open pretty wide in this spot since I do not think people will be playing back wide enough, especially non-regs. Also, despite the fact that Gambit flatted in this exact spot, I do not expect to be flatted much in this spot at all, making our hand value less important.

In regards to playing short-stacks, this really depends on table dynamic. I would try to raise/fold more at weaker tables where you think it is unlikely people will play back at you. On the other hand, weaker tables can also mean that there are players flatting raises with weak hands way too shallow, hands that they will not be inclined to fold postflop. In this situation you would have to tighten up your opening range, as it is undesirable to be playing OOP this shallow against players like this.
rengonnaren 12 years, 1 month ago
hey Grey, only a few questions here-
1. @ 5.20 (QTs) you mention and note you wouldnt mind check raising the flop here as well as bet-bet-betting. what in game thoughts run through your head to differentiate and decide between the two? is there a big difference in your thought process HU vs 3 way? bet/bet/betting just standard or a line youre more comfortable with? this board would seem to crush the flatters ranges which nearly guarantees them betting when checked to.. what is your sizing on a check-raise here?

lastly i think we can size the turn slightly larger than done in game to guarantee more calls on the river, nothing really missed the turn and the only hands which can possibly fold turn are hands like AJ/KJ and i think those folds are nearly static to sizings
Grayson Ramage 12 years ago
I would like to give you some in-depth response for why I did what I did in-game, but honestly since this hand occurred during the middle of a Sunday when I had a ton of tables up, there probably weren't many deep thoughts running through my head about this hand. I thought both lines were fine, and I am a little more used to bet/bet/betting, although I do c/r this flop sometimes.

In retrospect, I think the main advantage to c/r'ing would be the possibility of trapping some dead money in the pot if the flop action goes check/bet/call. Checking here also helps balance my checking range, although I think this is fairly irrelevant in tournaments. Even after giving more thought to the spot, I still think that betting and c/r'ing are relatively equal. If I were to c/r I would make it around 1350, assuming my opponent bet around 500.

If we were HU I would be much more likely to bet this flop than c/r for several reasons. I think my opponent will be calling bets with hands that I crush, and would be checking back a lot of these hands otherwise. I don't think there is much merit to checking with the intent on getting an extra bet out of hands that he would just fold to a cbet, since I don't expect him to be bluffing all that often when I check.

My reasoning for turn sizing is I think he is more likely to peel wider when I bet smaller, or even shove some hands with 0 equity over a smaller bet since he thinks he has fold equity. I think those factors negate the disadvantage of whatever % of the time he is folding river to a slightly bigger shove that he would otherwise be calling.
Sirocko 12 years ago
Well done again gray.

2:00 you 4b A3s with 40bigs. Fairly big to shove I guess but since you are 2.5x-ing it and the 3b becomes slightly bigger than if we 2x it here I would think you would jam it here if we decide to 4b since our hand plays as well as i could vs his calling range here. Dont you feel youre giving away equity here by 4b/folding(I assume that was your intention)

39:00
For the reason you stated yourself this is a hard river to valuebet and get value from anything really except hand that is similar to our own. How do you feel about making it even smaller and design it to look like a blockbet from a hand like a weak T. This could both get the affect to be paid of by weak hands making curious-calls or gives villain a chance to spew?

Keep up the good work
Grayson Ramage 12 years ago
2:00 - Especially since he might do something goofy like flat my 4bet or 5bet shove light (although I think the latter is extremely unlikely), neither of which is ideal for me, then you are probably right that I should be shoving rather than 4b/folding.

39:00 - That's an interesting idea, obviously it all depends on how often he is going to be spewing or how much more he will be calling a bet of 3k rather than 6k. It's kind of tough to estimate these things but I like your reasoning, so I have no problem with betting smaller, and a size of 3k may be optimal in this spot.
Meistras 12 years ago
Hi Grayson, in future videos it would be better if you explain what range you would get it in in certain spots, for ex. 05:00 min. you are saying that you happy to get it in AQ there, but could you explain all range of hands which you would be stacking of in these spots in your future videos. Thanks
Meistras 12 years ago
Really? So what range you expecting him to be shoving to profitable call with 66 or AT? Could you explain this maybe including some math, logic and reasons behind this?
Grayson Ramage 12 years ago
That range may be a little wide, but I would definitely get in AJ+ and 77+. If he is getting in a range of {KQ, A8-AK, 22-AA, KJ, KTs} then both 77 and AJ have slightly above 50% equity. I didn't include too many broadway combos in this range since he might flat them some of the time, but I think it is very possibly that he may shove wider than this. When we are this deep, I think I he will 4b/fold some of the time, adding to the profitability of the 3betting these hands. While I do expect him to flat my 3bet some of the time, it is hard to mathematically account for that.
Ozzy 11 years, 9 months ago
@27:40 - Any thougths about this open with 33? We're very shallow, so there's no way we're gonna play postflop profitably with this hand, and we really got no stealing value from this position and without blockers?

@36:40 - What do you think about check/raising river? He's propably gonna valuebet all of his Qx, Jx after it's been checked to him twice and he might turn hands like KT, T9 into a bluff, so actually the only hands checking back should be low pairs and maybe AK/AT.

I guess our concern here would be him bet/folding with a small sizing, whereas he would call some bigger bets, but he still might hero us with Qx, as check/raise doesn't represent to much in this spot?


Grayson Ramage 11 years, 9 months ago

27:40 - I agree that this is a marginal open with 33, it may be better to simply open-fold for the reasons you stated.

36:40 - C/R'ing is an option, but I would expect him to bet turn with a lot with Qx and also his K10, 109 type hands and he might check back river with weaker Jx hands. Overall, when he checks back turn, I think he has a relatively weak hand, but one with some showdown value. Because of this I prefer betting to c/r'ing. Since he shows up with KQ, it is possible that my reasoning on this hand is off and c/r'ing might be a better play.

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