PokerStars Saturday Super KO MTT Review (part 1)

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PokerStars Saturday Super KO MTT Review (part 1)

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Grayson Ramage

POSTED Apr 16, 2013

Grayson reviews a tourney with a large bounty structure and discusses how that impacts the EV in his early game play.

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Andre Bilenky 11 years, 11 months ago
nice one!
its funny how in your vids theres not so much comments as in others , it looks like you just dont make any mistakes! your just KOing the field!!!
about knockout tournaments, isnt some to be said about the payouts in relation to the ko: if its a huge field and top 3 pays a huge amount, isnt less worth the ko? as in smaller field and prizes not so juicy , probably the ko should mean more in relation to the tournament life?
Grayson Ramage 11 years, 10 months ago
Thanks Andre, for some reason I missed your comment, sorry it took me so long to respond. As far as KOs in relation to tournament life, I don't think the size of the field will have any direct impact on the value of bounties. However, as in normal tourneys, generally larger fields will be softer, making tournament life more valuable, since there will likely be many easy spots to pick up chips.
Adjacentbag 11 years, 10 months ago

Is the A2dd hand you say he doesnt have a range that you could fold to, is he shoving a lot of j10, kq, kj hands? Just seems like in this spot most are 3-bet folding. Also, in all of your hands when you talk about pot odds you are including your call. In the AJ vs K8 hand the pot is 1400 and he shoves around the same amount making the pot 2800. Youre getting 2-1 but you say something like 4-1 am I missing something?

Grayson Ramage 11 years, 10 months ago
The fact that this is a Super KO tourney means that half of the buy-in goes toward a bounty on each player. So there is a basically an additional starting stack in the pot every time someone that you cover is all-in. This makes it profitable to call shoves with a much wider range early in the tourney, if you have the all-in player covered.


Matthew Affleck 11 years, 10 months ago

Stupid question probably, but why 3000T for bounty and not 1500T since it is half the buyin? Also how do you go about considering future edges when gambling for bounties early since it takes away chances to get bounties later etc. 

Grayson Ramage 11 years, 10 months ago

Since the bounty is equal to 100% of the buyin I just look at it as worth a full starting stack. I do consider future edges, but no more than I would in normal tourneys, I'm not sure if I should be giving them more consideration since this is a bounty tourney.

misamisa 11 years, 9 months ago

Grayson, if the bounty is equal to 50% of the buy in ($150) then should it not be worth 50% of the initial start bank? 1500T?

Grayson Ramage 11 years, 9 months ago
Look at it this way: This is a $150 buy-in tourney. Each player also has a $150 bounty on their head. Because the bounty is equal to the buy-in, each bounty is worth 1 full starting stack (T3000).


daraduda 11 years, 7 months ago

This is probably gonna be just 1 more stupid question about this stuff with the loose calls for the bounties but are you saying that we should call from the BB if someone open shoves full stack at start with ATC ?

Grayson Ramage 11 years, 7 months ago
Definitely not, although we can count the pot as 6k rather than 3k so we are getting 2-1 on a call, I still would not be calling that wide since I would assume someone open-shoving a full stack would have a pretty strong range.


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