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Grayson Ramage

POSTED Dec 06, 2012

In his first video for Run It Once, Grayson "gray31" Ramage reviews hands from his final table of the Stars Wednesday $250,000 Guaranteed. He begins the video by giving his reads on his opponents followed by his general strategy and approach to this table.

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David Emmons 12 years, 3 months ago
grayson, really enjoyed the vid, you're really really smart. Monk532 is far from a random, hes a huge regfish. you play how i would play if i had discipline. on the kqo off hand i disagreed with a couple things. i agree flatting is best pre, but you missed the best reason, which is that pot control is so crucial 9 handed at a FT; it's no time to gamble. on turn i agree with your play of c/c instead of your idea of c/r/gi based on the same principle, and because the two players behind could (should) both be able to make you fold your hand if they have strong draws on this draw heavy board. overall, i love how in depth you get and i agree with almost everything you say about each individual hand (minus the early KQ). U rly are a little genius, but i want u to talk more about general poker/tourney concepts in the future vids and not just play by play. like how does it affect your play that everyone is over 30 big blinds deep to start the FT, not just that its a fact. must say glad ur making vids since i have such problems playing you :)
André Santos 12 years, 3 months ago
I really liked the video, I liked a lot of the approach in most plays (except that you considered an error). However, I got a question in AK 3betted pot. I wanted understand the merits of doing bet-call in this spot vs this passive villain or against other type of villlains.

I wanted to also understand the reason for some differences in the sizes of 3bet (beyond stack sizes, obviously), in which we 3bet IP 2.7 x and 2.2 x OP, against the same villain.

In any case, very good video. Keep up the good work.
Grayson Ramage 12 years, 3 months ago
Thanks for the comments Andre. In the AK hand, against passive opponents who are likely to check back when they have air I believe bet-calling is the best line since we can get them to fold the air that still has 6 outs on the flop by betting. I am not too happy when they shove over my cbet in this situation but we have simply too much equity against his range (pairs, FDs) to be folding.
Against aggressive opponents, I believe c/shoving is best on the flop, since it gives them a chance to bluff with their air on the flop, and allows us to get a bet out of them that we would otherwise not have gotten by c-betting.
I believe that you are referring to my 3bets against heiBtercamp, but I'm not sure. When I went 2.7x we were deeper than when I went 2.2x OP, I also commented that I felt like my 3bet size was too small when I went 2.2x. If you were referring to different hands, let me know.
wpr101 12 years, 2 months ago
Hey, didn't really understand the K9o 4-bet shove. What % do you estimate him to be 3-bet bluffing you? It seems like that % needs to be huge in order for it to be even plus chip EV. Also, considering how badly K9o does versus his calling off range, hands like T6s have about the same equity versus his calling off range.
Grayson Ramage 12 years, 2 months ago
For the reasons I mentioned in the video, I believe he will be light here a ton. I think 70% is a reasonable estimation. If he is light this amount, then it is easily profitable for me to shove. While I would certainly be happier to be 4bet-shoving a hand better than K9o, I think this spot is too good to pass up. Hope this helps wpr.
KrazeeKramer 10 years, 11 months ago

In the k9o spot you started off the hand with 39bb...would you not consider a non-all in 4bet to 10-11bb especially considering he is oop so its far less profitable for him to call?

Grayson Ramage 10 years, 11 months ago

A small 4bet is not a bad option, the only issue is that it gives him room to 5bet light. At the time I was incredibly confident that he would be light the vast majority of the time, so I decided that shoving was the better play, as it takes away his ability to 5bet light.

Francisco Dias 10 years, 7 months ago

Gray, im new here and my doubts may seem weird to you, but im here to learn, so imma post them and hope you can help me

03:30 Why shouldn't we flat anything (only AA and KK in trap)? Foutight leaves 40bbs behind, isn't it a reasonable stack to Monk only push or fold?

09:50 Why is that a good spot to 3bet?

30:10 Why is Ricar not flatting pairs (you say that if he is a good mtt player, he won't flat)? Or are you referring to calling the wemax 3bet?

1:00:47 You say Abziikzn should not flat to set mine because he is not deep enough. However, once they (abziikzn and heibtercamp) hit the flop, heib still has 32bbs behind. Isn't it enough so that abz can play to set mine?

Thank you in advance, you're just great.

Grayson Ramage 10 years, 7 months ago

Welcome Francisco, I'm happy to answer your questions.

3:30 - I would like to revise my statement a little, it's not that bad for him to be flatting a little wider, but I didn't expect foutight to be light in this spot. I would expect foutight's most likely holding to be AK based on sizing, which makes it a little easier to flat some pairs and suited connectors and go with them on good flops. Normally, with 40bb, I would not advocate just shoving over a 3bet or folding, but stacks become much shallower since monk 3x'ed and foutight made such a big 3bet. Because of this, shoving or folding is reasonable.

9:50 - Mainly for the reason I stated in the video, that I did not expect foutight to be flatting a very strong hand that often. Also, it is tough for either player to flat my 3bet with those stack sizes when they are out of position.

30:10 - I was referring to him flatting the wemax 3bet.

1:00:47 - That is definitely not deep enough to purely setmine, especially not when both the open and 3bet were so big. Based on the flop action, it appears that abziikzn may have been planning on going with his hand on non A/K/Q flops, although the flop he got with 2 broadway cards is not best for him to do this on. Even when he is ahead, AQ and AK still have 40% equity, and when he is behind he will only have 2 outs.

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