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Grayson Ramage

POSTED Sep 11, 2014

Grayson reviews a win in PokerStars' $100 Cubed Turbo from start to finish.

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Murphy1010 10 years, 6 months ago

Thanks for a video Gray.

Around 45 min when you open A5o. Would you really call off SB shove? He would have to shove something like 46% plus to be this call profitable. Do you think that he would shove this wide? Or you dont consider ICM implications in raise calling spot which make huge amout of chips.

Thanks for reply and gl

vaiqbate 10 years, 6 months ago

hi gray.. nice video.. could you elaborate your math at 25:00 A2s against Sorel? thanks

Grayson Ramage 10 years, 4 months ago

I am getting 1.32-1, so I need 43.1% equity to make a call break-even. Even against a range of 22+ A2+ K5s+ Q8s+ J8s+ 108s+ 98s and all offsuit broadways, I have 45.5% equity, and I think his shoving range will be looser than this if anything.

Smart 10 years, 6 months ago

Gray. On the Final Table, there was a hand where your BB with Q9 off and you get walked by Nacho with 11BBs. Would that have been a snap call? What is your calling range in that situation?

Grayson Ramage 10 years, 4 months ago

According to Nash, Nacho should be shoving 52.6% and I should be calling 26.1%. This would be 44+ A2s+ A3o+ K7s+ K9o+ Q9s+ QJo JTs, so I would be folding Q9o.

peaceandlove 10 years, 5 months ago

hey, nice vid ty, some my thoughts

16:22 (AKs) - vs 40bbs eff utg open, im not sure its most optimal way to go by 3b/5b broke there. As played i think its pretty decent spot to call his 4b, keep his wide 4betting range (if he is capable to do it in spot like this) so his range would look like JJ+,KTs,QTs,AJo,KQo in my opinion, so top rane to stackoff JJ+, and decent equity hands with blockers too good to flatt being utg vs IP3b and too good to fold so some suited broadways like qts kts some aj kqo imo, so we are keeping his entire 4betting range and some decent %of the hands that we are dominating postflop and can get more value  instead of shove and stackoff vs his probably JJ/QQ+ range and make this spot so close and pretty high variance in longrun becouse imo in spot like this regs won't be able to stackoff light without dynamic and having this kind of stack in turbos in my opinion it could be more optimal to search more postflop edges and more smallball situations with possition like here even flatting pre instead of light 3b/5b broking, but just my few cents let me know what you think.

18:12 (Q9s) - for me it seems like we could go there even smaller like 2.2-2.5kish and easy fold without any equity vs BB reshove even if it looks weak, it won't still be profitable to call even when we would need 0.22~% equity to b/e call vs his defending range @ bb in this spot his range is going be capped on broadways,connector, maybe few ax combos like A9s-A8s,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,98s,ATo,KJo+,QJo but maybe its too wider range, even vs this we have only 17% equity so still not profitable to call.

19:25 (K7s) - i don't think its going be profitable and most optimal way to r/c bigblind. I mean its profitable overall after we raise to r/c but according to HRC vs BB reshoving range ~ 20.1%, 22+ A2s+ A7o+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ JTs with im not sure its not too light and some part of his range could be focused on defending broadways/connector instead of reshoving there so in most optmimistic way its going be breakeven spot or proftable on like 0.1-0.3bb max and earning like 600chips in longrun in this spot isn't worth to imo in this situation in tournament having this kind of stack we could pass some marginal profitable spots.

22:10 (TT) - i think overall even if regs know, that some players are capable to mr/f in this kind of spot i think dont so we would make more profit by raising instead of shoving there since we have 8~bb stack that we are close to be commited to call. we could cutoff sOme hands like 66 77 88  99 maybe some ATs from regs calling range after we minraise and scary them off, and they would mostly like call off our shove.Also we give  so good equity for bigblind reg to defend all his suited broadways KQo Aj type hands to fit/fold mostly and @10big i dont think so its good way to induce something having  this kind of stack on bigblind becouse hE would be more capped on shove like TT+ AK and defend rest but i can be wrong.

23:55 (TJs) - i dont know that vell flush_entity oppening ranges but overall, looking at these stakcsizes where he have 8,5bb stack and 5bb stack that he is mostly like commited to R/c them i dont think so his raise/calling and raise/folding %range ratio would be wide enough to make our shove profitable with decent edge there in my opinion.

Giving for him optimal oppening range like:
16.6%, 55+ A7s+ A5s A9o+ K9s+ KJo+ QTs+ QJo JTs T9s (50% of QJo,A7s,55s combos)
(its going be sometimes wideR, sometimes tighter, in longrun i think its going be Secound option so less hands like K9s A9o A5s QJo)

and raise/calling vs our reshove : 5.1%, 99+ AQs+ AQo+, and 50% of 88's

after putting these numbers we are earning like 0.8BB giving these ranges in longrun so its like 5k chips, im not sure its enough having this kind of stacksizes (3 shortstacks) and some icm factor (i dont know how deep in tourney we are now, if it would be like semi/ft i would be more on the fold side) so in my opinion its a bit too wide in this kind of spot personally i would reshove like 77/88 AJs AQo KQs there but it's not mistake for sure to shove wider but i think it could be less optimal and more profitable overall would be tighter up our range there.

33:28 (ATo)- like you said, its so think becouse his reshoving range haveing 1short @sb and knowing that he is almost always commited to your raise, i don't think so his reshoving range is going be wider then 66+ ATs+ AJo+ KQs and vs this reshoving range we are earning 0.5BB by cEV when we call but there is so much icm factor and future edge spots that i think, we don't want take almost b/e cev spot by raise/calling this even if it looks weakish its much more profitable and optimal to pass and have 25~bbs stack and still being chipleader and put preasure and still pump steals and win chips with lowvariance without showdown instead of taking close if even profitable spots like this one.

34:08 (TJo) - imo its clear fold, so bad stacksizes for us and icm factor while there are two shortstacks at btn and sb, i think its much more optimal to pass this spot and keep our stack at reshoviung range with still some foldequity then r/f and beign less then 10bbs when blinds come to us and level of blinds would increase to 15/30k. Also we have good reg @bigblind that would be capable to defend all suited broadways/AT AT AQ type hands and we won't be comfrotable to play @15bbs even with possition there i think. Again its cev+ open but still almost b/E (like 0.5bb profitable) and imo we have to keep more icm factor and edge there instead of taking close cev spots.

35:30 (A2o) - imo its very weak open, even vs stacksizes that we are R/folding to anyone i still dont think its going be profitable enough with Ax blocker according to hrc. Overall i think its more optimal while having chipleader there fold more r/folding hands like this one and give chance for players to stackoff wider like bvb, btn vs sb/bb, hj vs bb  etc instead of stealing all the time chips and earning very low % like 0.5-1bb max by cEV max.

37:42 (63o) - VS 9.5bb BB i think its still good enough and it won'T never be exploitable to mr/fold there instead of shoving, like balancing our worst 20% of the range and top 15-20 to R/c and shove rest.

cheers, let me know what do you think

Grayson Ramage 10 years, 4 months ago

16:22 - I would rather just shove here and not let him realize whatever equity he has. Also, although he is utg, we are only 7-handed, I don't think it is that unreasonable for him to 4b/call AQ, so I think you may be giving him too tight of a getting it in range.

18:12 - You are right that I should probably fold to a shove based on that range. I could cbet a little smaller as well.

19:25 - It is very close, like you said, there is no much difference in calling and folding, but I do prefer passing on neutral EV spots. It really comes down to how small of an edge is worth taking.

22:10 - I rarely do anything but shove with 10bb or less, and I'm not convinced we would rather min-raise and allow the bb to defend a fairly wide range here. Also, it becomes exploitable if you are unbalanced in this spot (only min-raising monsters and some weak hands, shoving the middle of your range).

23:55 - I'm confident that both his ranges for opening and calling my shove will be wider than you think, I am not sure about the math, but if the edge does come out to around .8bb, I think that is plenty big and would not pass up that spot.

33:28 - I agree with you that I should fold here, for all of the reasons you stated.

34:08 - There are a lot of factors in this hand and I think it would be hard to accurately account for all of them. A lot depends on how the other players at the table perceive my range and how wide they will be continuing against me. I have no problem with folding here either, but I do think that it is pretty close.

35:30 - A line needs to be drawn somewhere to create your opening range, basically my hand is the same as A9o in this situation (except for the very slight value in having a 9 in that it blocks combos of 99 and A9). Would you advocate opening only hands I will be continuing with against at least some of the players? Or maybe only 50% of the Ax combos that I would be folding to a shove?

37:42 - This is interesting, but I think I should just shove, especially because it takes away his option of flatting.

Good questions, you definitely put a lot of thought into them, if you have any further questions let me know.

psykee 10 years, 4 months ago

Gray great video man just want to ask
in minute 30 you min raise A2s agg two 10bb stack and the BB is 13bb isnt better to just open shove?

Grayson Ramage 10 years, 4 months ago

Although it is profitable to shove, I think it is better to raise/fold to everyone but the SB. I am balanced in this spot in that I will be raising my strong hands as well, so I think it will be more profitable and lower variance to min-raise and decide how to continue based on later action.

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