Grayson Ramage12 years, 3 months agoThanks for the comment Kulek, also thanks for including the time, makes it a lot easier to find the spot. With no reads I would be getting in 88+, AJs+, AQo+.
Smile12 years, 3 months agoHi, tnx for the video Some questions: Min 9:00 QTo hand. Imagine fish cheks the turn again, then as u mentioned you bet(which I completely agree with) and Stev0L_ calls. Even though his range contains a lot of Jx , the board pairs on the river and he would prob not be folding, not mentioning he has some A8, 98 hands in his range. So, can you please describe what river cards are you betting vs him and what rivers are you checking. I think spade river plays are the most interesting for me to hear, cuz on one hand we can rep spades and on the other he can have some Ax spades himself. 26:50 Are you r/c vs BB with JTs? 28:20 R/f vs BB? Thank you!
Grayson Ramage12 years, 3 months agoThanks for the questions Smile. I would probably lean toward checking most brick rivers because I can have quite a few bluffs in my range (109, Q10, FD's) so I wouldn't be surprised if Stevol called a river bet. I have quite a few FD's in my range when I lead turn so I would definitely bluff spade rivers. Yes I would be calling a shove from the BB since I am getting about 1.7-1 and I believe I have about 40% equity against his shoving range. I'm not sure I would fold in-game but I do believe this is a fold after looking at the math. So yes, I would be folding to the BB, regardless of whether I am flatted or not.
20:45 what is ur calling range from SB vs m867 open if m.a is folding, what you 3bet/call vs opener?
Very nice play with TT, i love turn it into a bluff on the river but we dont have that many good rivers for us, it is A maybe K T and 9, so any other river is bad for us and if we need to change our hand into a bluff in the river so we are not in good shape on the turn most of the time, and we have much more bad rivers than good, dont u think it is just a very solid fold on the turn or it looks too nitty and sometimes he have like QT there or smth like this,
Also i have question about this hand preflop what if someone would 4b small for example from our ~2,6k to 4,6k it is really sick spot for us and most of the time TT our not good enough to jam it. What was your plan against small 4bet pf?
Hand with AKo on A24K 3 what is the worst hand u are jam here for value on the river, like AQ o?
Have also some theoretical question. Noticed that u almost always raise 2,25 bb even from CO or Button. Do u think it increasing ur fold equity? Most of the time from this posisions of course we have a bad hand, this 0,25bb gives for us more fold equity pf, do u have some thoughts about that?
When u are like 20-25 bb deep u change sizing for 2 bb or u are a fun of 2,25 all the time, and 2,5bb in the beginning of the tournament
20:45 - I don't really have a flatting range in this spot if m.a folds. I would most likely just shove my entire getting-it-in range here rather than 3bet/call, since effective stacks are only 22bb. I don't remember how tight he was playing but my range would likely be around AJs+, 88 or 99+.
1010 hand- I think we have the best hand enough to make calling profitable, he definitely could be value-betting worse pairs here (or bluffing with hands like Q10, 910, KQ), although I am not too happy that he bet.
I am planning on not folding to a small 4bet here, obvisobv can definitely 4betting light in this spot.
In the AK hand, yes AQ is the the worst hand I shove for value.
I raise more than 2bb earlier from all positions early in tourneys when stacks are generally deeper. I do think by making it 2.25x people will play back at you a little less than if you min-raise, but my main reasoning for 2.25x'ing is that stacks are deeper.
Even early in tourneys, If I am pretty shallow (under 30bb or so) I will min-raise since I don't see any need to go bigger when my stack is that short.
ggknowre12 years, 1 month agoVery good detail on each hand you play ...Would be great if you can make a video or video series going over just calling short stack shoves and the math behind it and how you come to the conclusion of calling or folding . As well as when you re shove over short stack opens and what type of range to you use to steal with and with what stack size are you willing to do this . Thanks
Grayson Ramage12 years, 1 month agoThanks ggknowre, I'll keep that in mind for a future video. If I don't devote a whole video to it, I will at least try to talk about what range I would be calling/shoving in certain spots in more detail.
Sirocko12 years agoLike your videos a lot. Very direct and well thought out.
I have a question regarding your overall approach. Around 3:00 you 4b K3s otb vs sb 3b. Whats your general of approach of fighting for chips early vs preserve your stack for more crucial stages of the tournament? Do you consider metagems-implications or simple, "his 3b range is wide here, I should be able to make him fold enough, this should be chip ev+, therefore I 4b"
As for formats of videos I enjoy the most is probably a live-recorded video that you analyze in retrospect. Phil does this a lot in his videos. I feel that it gives you a better understanding for whats going on at the table and the at the same time you can pause it and discuss the hand in depth. This may require a few more tables though.
Keep the intreresting content coming.
Grayson Ramage12 years agoThanks Sirocko, I plan trying on making some live videos in the future for some variety.
As far as the K3s spot, if I think it's a good spot to 4bet, I will usually take it. While there is certainly something to be said for stack preservation, my thinking is pretty similar to what you described, especially in tougher tournaments.
Ozzy11 years, 10 months ago@31'00' with AQ - if we think he got nuts, because of sizing, we should just fold pre - after calling we got huge reverse implied odds. If he got nuts pre, we're loosing a stack whenever we hit a Q, possibly also when A hits vs his AK. It also seems unlikely, that we'll stack him on the flop when we hit an A and he got like KK.
Did you consider shoving pre? I believe if we're calling, we assume he might be light sometimes in this spot - then shoving seems like a way better option, because most of the time we're just folding to cbet on the flop, possibly with the best hand or decent equity at least.
Your point about reverse implied odds is a good one, but I wasn't confident enough that he was huge to just fold AQ in position and getting such a great price. I did consider shoving, but decided not to since I thought he would be strong most of the time. Looking back at the hand now, shoving may be the best play.
Flatting - A10s+, AQo+, KJs+, 77+
Now I actually prefer 3betting AJo, and I will also be 3betting some broadways that I think are a little too weak to flat, other suited connectors and Axs.
I would be jamming much wider if it was Bryn's 3bet rather than a 3bet and 4bet. I'd likely go with any pair against a 3bet. My range against a 4bet depends on the sizing and whether the 4bet is all-in or not. I would definitely be going with 88+, AQ+ against a shove
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Some questions:
Min 9:00
QTo hand. Imagine fish cheks the turn again, then as u mentioned you bet(which I completely agree with) and Stev0L_ calls. Even though his range contains a lot of Jx , the board pairs on the river and he would prob not be folding, not mentioning he has some A8, 98 hands in his range.
So, can you please describe what river cards are you betting vs him and what rivers are you checking. I think spade river plays are the most interesting for me to hear, cuz on one hand we can rep spades and on the other he can have some Ax spades himself.
26:50
Are you r/c vs BB with JTs?
28:20
R/f vs BB?
Thank you!
I would probably lean toward checking most brick rivers because I can have quite a few bluffs in my range (109, Q10, FD's) so I wouldn't be surprised if Stevol called a river bet. I have quite a few FD's in my range when I lead turn so I would definitely bluff spade rivers.
Yes I would be calling a shove from the BB since I am getting about 1.7-1 and I believe I have about 40% equity against his shoving range.
I'm not sure I would fold in-game but I do believe this is a fold after looking at the math. So yes, I would be folding to the BB, regardless of whether I am flatted or not.
I have a couple questions :
20:45 what is ur calling range from SB vs m867 open if m.a is folding, what you 3bet/call vs opener?
Very nice play with TT, i love turn it into a bluff on the river but we dont have that many good rivers for us, it is A maybe K T and 9, so any other river is bad for us and if we need to change our hand into a bluff in the river so we are not in good shape on the turn most of the time, and we have much more bad rivers than good, dont u think it is just a very solid fold on the turn or it looks too nitty and sometimes he have like QT there or smth like this,
Also i have question about this hand preflop what if someone would 4b small for example from our ~2,6k to 4,6k it is really sick spot for us and most of the time TT our not good enough to jam it.
What was your plan against small 4bet pf?
Hand with AKo on A24K 3 what is the worst hand u are jam here for value on the river, like AQ o?
Have also some theoretical question. Noticed that u almost always raise 2,25 bb even from CO or Button. Do u think it increasing ur fold equity? Most of the time from this posisions of course we have a bad hand, this 0,25bb gives for us more fold equity pf, do u have some thoughts about that?
When u are like 20-25 bb deep u change sizing for 2 bb or u are a fun of 2,25 all the time, and 2,5bb in the beginning of the tournament
Hope u will find a time to answer :)
Once more thank you very much for the video!!!
20:45 - I don't really have a flatting range in this spot if m.a folds. I would most likely just shove my entire getting-it-in range here rather than 3bet/call, since effective stacks are only 22bb. I don't remember how tight he was playing but my range would likely be around AJs+, 88 or 99+.
1010 hand- I think we have the best hand enough to make calling profitable, he definitely could be value-betting worse pairs here (or bluffing with hands like Q10, 910, KQ), although I am not too happy that he bet.
I am planning on not folding to a small 4bet here, obvisobv can definitely 4betting light in this spot.
In the AK hand, yes AQ is the the worst hand I shove for value.
I raise more than 2bb earlier from all positions early in tourneys when stacks are generally deeper. I do think by making it 2.25x people will play back at you a little less than if you min-raise, but my main reasoning for 2.25x'ing is that stacks are deeper.
Even early in tourneys, If I am pretty shallow (under 30bb or so) I will min-raise since I don't see any need to go bigger when my stack is that short.
I have a question regarding your overall approach. Around 3:00 you 4b K3s otb vs sb 3b. Whats your general of approach of fighting for chips early vs preserve your stack for more crucial stages of the tournament? Do you consider metagems-implications or simple, "his 3b range is wide here, I should be able to make him fold enough, this should be chip ev+, therefore I 4b"
As for formats of videos I enjoy the most is probably a live-recorded video that you analyze in retrospect. Phil does this a lot in his videos. I feel that it gives you a better understanding for whats going on at the table and the at the same time you can pause it and discuss the hand in depth. This may require a few more tables though.
Keep the intreresting content coming.
As far as the K3s spot, if I think it's a good spot to 4bet, I will usually take it. While there is certainly something to be said for stack preservation, my thinking is pretty similar to what you described, especially in tougher tournaments.
Did you consider shoving pre? I believe if we're calling, we assume he might be light sometimes in this spot - then shoving seems like a way better option, because most of the time we're just folding to cbet on the flop, possibly with the best hand or decent equity at least.
Your point about reverse implied odds is a good one, but I wasn't confident enough that he was huge to just fold AQ in position and getting such a great price. I did consider shoving, but decided not to since I thought he would be strong most of the time. Looking back at the hand now, shoving may be the best play.
Hi Grayson
42:20 - Why do you think it is fine to make a cbet in that spot with 66? Which range do you give to jpa so that a cbet becomes reasonable to make?
Thank you
In retrospect, this probably isn't a great board to cbet since I expect his flatting range to consist of lots of suited broadway hands.
at 14:29 where wizowizo raised, what is your flatting range here? What will you be 3betting there with??
Flatting - A10s+, AQo+, KJs+, 77+
Now I actually prefer 3betting AJo, and I will also be 3betting some broadways that I think are a little too weak to flat, other suited connectors and Axs.
at 26:37 what hands are you jamming with if you do get 3bet or 4bet? 88+, AJs and AQo?
I would be jamming much wider if it was Bryn's 3bet rather than a 3bet and 4bet. I'd likely go with any pair against a 3bet. My range against a 4bet depends on the sizing and whether the 4bet is all-in or not. I would definitely be going with 88+, AQ+ against a shove
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