You make a good point. I could go slightly smaller on the flop. But the board isn't super dry in that because we both approach with wide ranges so that there are plenty of straight and flush draws in our ranges. Also with it coming eight the board is quite dynamic and a hand like ATc has a lot of equity so i wouldnt go super small with range.

I personally of always found there is a lot of value in grinding multiple sites, softer more manageable field really helps to ameliorate the affects of variance.

I agree with most of it. Thank you for the answer. 

I just tend to think that his option to x/c and not to cbet on this board with a SPR of 4 makes our wide bluffing range on this texture a profitable two streets small bets to have room to fold to a x/s OTT. 

When you make 11k in 17k (making him 1PSB OTT) you probably isn't folding anymore and giving away this information kinda takes out the initiative for him to x/s some ATc for example. 

Hey bro. Yes you're right mate. It maybe a small losing play even if we assign a range of atc for the 3 bet. That said i really felt that if he AK, AA or almost any of the hands he's calling the jam with he makes his 3 bet smaller. This sizing, combined with the situation makes it so hard for me to proceed that i felt like it was always air. That's why I took the spot. In general tho you should be backing down to ICM pressure particularly in a situation as extreme as this when we have a 1bb stack.

I'm away at two live tournaments this week and next but when i return i'll try and get on ICMizer and look at the maths because i'm interested to know myself. 

Glad your enjoying the videos tho. Thanks for the feedback and the question.

I play the hand pretty exploitatively from start to finish. Against a good player it's prob fine to have no craising range on this board. However, this opponent didnt seem too good so i felt the advantages of building a pot took precedence over balance. Similarly on river think we should bet small against a good player because we have almost no bluffs, but feel like a bad player is gonna call more often as long as it's not for their tournament. He wouldn't fold KJ if we jammed, but i wanted to ensure that he called with all his weak kings as well.

Hmmm... I feel like if your playing super-confidently maybe you could call but here's my thinking... When we peel and the bb comes in the pot's gonna be massively bloated. On the one hand this a positive because it increases the odds we get on a call. In another way tho it's bad because with Gagawa and Giffordian having just two times pot back we have very little room to manoeuvre. If it come A or 8 high we can't really get away from the hand and we have quite a lot of reverse implied odds.

Good question tho, maybe the spot is closer than i outline in the vid.

thanks mate. Glad the video was helpful. With games being tougher these days adapting to your table is certainly a key skill.

Hey mate,

1. This a hand that depends on what stats an opponent is running at, your relative position and the ICM consequences of being wrong. So each situation is different. That said the reason i was so confident about the spots i took for rejams here were because 'Giffordian' and a couple of other villains are opening opening off big stacks into shorter stacks who are slightly hand-cuffed because of ICM. If villains are opening of 19bbs themselves at a final there range is obviously way tighter and shoving J9s may be a small losing play, where as when they have 40bbs, in most instances, there is a far bigger gap between the hands they perceive as a profitable raise and the hands which they can call a jam with. It's that gap we're looking to exploit.

2. Your database might be skewed or you might be picking the wrong stacksizes to go after (i.e. 30bb stacks which are gonna be 4-bet jamming a lot). It also depends on your image a lot. Maybe you just be lowering your bluff frequency and broadening your value range. That's one way to combat what your experiencing. I people know your 3 bet calling a little wider obviously you can bluff more, if they think your very narrow for value jamming blockers in particular is gonna be super profitable.

3. Yes. Having no flatting range off 15bbs in these positions is fine. I don't even know for sure what is best off twenty. You have to remember that shoving 20 on a utg open here also looks INCREDIBLY strong and i have almost no 'bluff' range. I think flatting is the best option here vs an unknown and jamming is best vs a competent reg with whom you have some history.

Thanks for the questions and the feedback. Sorry i didnt get round to heads-up. The video went on a lot longer than i expected. Will try and include one soon.

Hello Sam,

Thanks for the detailed reply.

1.  I agree with ICM being very important, and also paying attention to an opponent's stack/ playing styles.  If they are loose callers, we should be narrowing our shoving range.  For instance we would shove entirely different hands against someone who is calling our shove with top 20% of hands, vs top 10% of hands.  I remember reading that it is profitable to shove with top 40-45% of hands if someone is only going to call top 8-10%.  This was a sb vs. bb example.  

2.  Should I try to 3b bluff against smaller stacks then?  Usually I look for people that are aggressive and fold to 3b% a high amount. Perhaps I should focus more on smaller stacks around 20-25bbs? I usually only try to make these steals when I have 25-30bbs myself and have decent showdown value.  So hands like jts,qts,j9s etc.

Looking forward to next vid.

With regards to point two. What i'm saying is that a lot of players are unbalanced in that they three-bet bluff more from 30 or 40 bbs than they do from say 25. Where in fact you have a wider value range with 25bbs so you can three bet bluff with a greater frequency. Thanks for your engagement.

Ah gotcha, probably a leak in my game.  Don't 3b bluff unless I have 30bbs or more.  Guess I should try doing it more when I have around 25bbs and so does the opponent.  Been trying to get tricky and 3bet with hands like T9s, J9s,etc against someone who folds frequently to 3b and I have cutoff or button.  Seems like most of the time they have a hand though.  Maybe my memory is just foggy since I try it so frequently on bubbles, and it seems to backfire more then it should.  Even with what I think is a "tight" table image. 

Interesting question.

So firstly while i accept what your general premise, and it's something i've definitely suffered from, I don't think the AT example is too good a example as I think we're getting 3 bet a great deal here and our hand plays better as a jam than a peel at this depth.

More broadly though I would suggest two things. 

The first is always taking a few seconds to review a situation before clicking any button. Online you can get into a rhythm where because you are making a lot of decisions quickly in very standard spots you start to act too quickly over EVERY decision. Just as live you might always take 10-20 seconds oer every decision for balance, just slowing yourself down and taking 5 seconds online means that when a tougher decision presents itself you take the proper time. Making a push-fold decision in a turbo very quickly is one thing, but when i four-bet all in with a blocker in a matter of a couple of seconds online. I know i've slipped from my 'a game.'

Secondly, look for triggers that lead up to these 'monkey' moments. If you notice when we are 3-handed and i lose the big all-in with the TT i almost immediately 3-bet the K9o and then make a stubborn call-down with third pair. These plays aren't horrific or anything, but psychologically losing that all-in might have affected me a little and i've begun to loosen up too much. I don't know but maybe these 'monkey' jams are coming soon after you've suffered a bad beat on a different table, or after you've bust deep in a tourney. if so be aware that it's a trigger and take even longer to tink through decisions.

Hope that helps.