25:15 with SPR less than 1 BvB with 53 on K55ss-Tx I feel like a lot of players just play BBX with their draws, so given we have a strong but vulnerable value hand, I would want to shove the turn to deny their equity to the combo draws. If SPR was going to be higher than 1 then I wouldn't mind delaying the XR until the river. Slow play the KK TT K5s 55 stuff but trips without a spade in hand I would just want to BC-XRAI. How are you approaching this spot in practice? 27:13 the solver shows we have zero turn check raises. Very interesting to me as well.
I think that's a perfectly good way to play it given what you said is true. Good way to frame it.
I in practice would actually follow the solvers advice since the regs I play would not underbluff river. If you really think about this odd never x/r turn node, it really makes a lot of sense. Since IP is solely repping 5x+ for value, our bluffs have very little fold equity (no Kx to fold off) and very little equity themselves (paired board). And on the other end of the spectrum our value extracts only value from low kicker 5x, which is likely to shove river anyways.
So unless you think your opponent is truly greatly underbluffing river, I'd play like the sim here.
generally playing a bunch of cash, but have been practicing some mtt stuff on gto wizard trying to get more comfortable playing 20-30 bbs deep effective in different spots.
great to see how you utilize gto wizard and train!
That first hand, outside of solver land, I wouldn't check raise but as played vs. real opponents I vbet there all day half pot. With the way live players play they will call with a worse Ax always.
28:00 we don't fold any tx but we start to release a lot of kx. Why is that?
Hey Sound. So I'd say in my next video you'll see soon, I train that way more. I do like training this way, but the big negative is the 3-4 sizings for each street can make the sim more unrealistic.
I believe it's because a lot of those Tx's are FDs.
I definitely would in practice, but shouldn't really expect it in theory as IP polarizes with shoves. I would expect weaker regs put out a medium weird sizing trying to can value with AK/AJ.
Something you mentioned as well! We have to remember when we’re practicing these nodes vs the sim that in certain spots our opponents or general population aren’t going to have these ranges or certain bluffs. Certain lines we take may be solver approved but it may not be a fine line we take vs a specific player irl
Frankie,
Nice video on using GTO trainers. I use the GTO trainer in PIO a lot which uses whatever packet of solves that you have saved and would like to use. This removes one of the cons you mentioned about multiple bet sizes (your solve library will have whatever number of bet sizes you choose). You could also use node locked sims in the trainer for various spots if you wanted to. The main con is that you have to have a library of sims of course. Enjoyed the content.
Hello Frankie,
I don't use the GTOWizard trainer as much as I should, so I will give this a go! To set it up do I go to Practise>Trainer, select Starting spot: Flop and then set the stack depth to 100? Any other settings I need to adjust?
Hi matlittle. There's a lot of customizable settings. It really depends on your preference. For instance I like to see the correct action right away, which maybe you prefer to let the hand play out. I do it because I typically will stop the game tree if it's a 0% freq (aka I fudged it up) because I don't want to learn to play lines I should not even be taking.
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25:15 with SPR less than 1 BvB with 53 on K55ss-Tx I feel like a lot of players just play BBX with their draws, so given we have a strong but vulnerable value hand, I would want to shove the turn to deny their equity to the combo draws. If SPR was going to be higher than 1 then I wouldn't mind delaying the XR until the river. Slow play the KK TT K5s 55 stuff but trips without a spade in hand I would just want to BC-XRAI. How are you approaching this spot in practice? 27:13 the solver shows we have zero turn check raises. Very interesting to me as well.
I think that's a perfectly good way to play it given what you said is true. Good way to frame it.
I in practice would actually follow the solvers advice since the regs I play would not underbluff river. If you really think about this odd never x/r turn node, it really makes a lot of sense. Since IP is solely repping 5x+ for value, our bluffs have very little fold equity (no Kx to fold off) and very little equity themselves (paired board). And on the other end of the spectrum our value extracts only value from low kicker 5x, which is likely to shove river anyways.
So unless you think your opponent is truly greatly underbluffing river, I'd play like the sim here.
hey Frankie another great video my guy thank you!
generally playing a bunch of cash, but have been practicing some mtt stuff on gto wizard trying to get more comfortable playing 20-30 bbs deep effective in different spots.
great to see how you utilize gto wizard and train!
Thanks a lot True!
It is quite interesting some of the different concepts at lower stacks sizes, but there seems to be a lot of rhyming with 100bb effective.
Hey Frankie,
How often do you study this way?
That first hand, outside of solver land, I wouldn't check raise but as played vs. real opponents I vbet there all day half pot. With the way live players play they will call with a worse Ax always.
28:00 we don't fold any tx but we start to release a lot of kx. Why is that?
Thanks!
Hey Sound. So I'd say in my next video you'll see soon, I train that way more. I do like training this way, but the big negative is the 3-4 sizings for each street can make the sim more unrealistic.
I believe it's because a lot of those Tx's are FDs.
Are we mainly checking this river to flat vs opponent bet, as well if we’re betting here he kind of hate getting raised
I definitely would in practice, but shouldn't really expect it in theory as IP polarizes with shoves. I would expect weaker regs put out a medium weird sizing trying to can value with AK/AJ.
Something you mentioned as well! We have to remember when we’re practicing these nodes vs the sim that in certain spots our opponents or general population aren’t going to have these ranges or certain bluffs. Certain lines we take may be solver approved but it may not be a fine line we take vs a specific player irl
Yes! Always important to translate our training to the real world and not just try to get a double green check from Wiz.
Quality stuff Frankie, thanks for this one.
Thanks mx!
Frankie,
Nice video on using GTO trainers. I use the GTO trainer in PIO a lot which uses whatever packet of solves that you have saved and would like to use. This removes one of the cons you mentioned about multiple bet sizes (your solve library will have whatever number of bet sizes you choose). You could also use node locked sims in the trainer for various spots if you wanted to. The main con is that you have to have a library of sims of course. Enjoyed the content.
Thanks Frankie.
Thanks Sevens! My next video will actually be going over a different way to train! Removing that multisizing con.
Hello Frankie,
I don't use the GTOWizard trainer as much as I should, so I will give this a go! To set it up do I go to Practise>Trainer, select Starting spot: Flop and then set the stack depth to 100? Any other settings I need to adjust?
Hi matlittle. There's a lot of customizable settings. It really depends on your preference. For instance I like to see the correct action right away, which maybe you prefer to let the hand play out. I do it because I typically will stop the game tree if it's a 0% freq (aka I fudged it up) because I don't want to learn to play lines I should not even be taking.
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