Preflop Adjustments
Posted by Frankie Carson
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Incredible video Frankie! Certainly eye-opening and the value of your distilled takeaways of comparing as many different sizings for each spot is mindblowing
Wow thank you so much for the amazing compliment Eldora!! Glad it was helpful to you.
Another excellent video Frankie. Preflop is one of the less covered topics in RIO imo, definitely great value. Thanks for this! :)
Thanks mx404! Really glad it was helpful for you.
Great video. This is all very consistent with what i've seen in a course by Uri Peleg.
I would be very interested in multiway situations, like:
I know it would be way more difficult to run sims like these tho, but maybe with monker or simple prelfop could be done
So I'll actually be going over multiway in my next video, but it will be focused on postflop. In a future video I will go over the type of ranges and strategies against limpers (aka recs). Finding the solutions to some of your questions here are extremely difficult not only from computation power but also locking in suboptimal play.
However, we can use HU situations as proxies to understand how to deviate. Like when I discussed a stronger linear range against a high vpip rec we can use this in squeeze spots where say a reg OR and rec flats behind. Just likely make the range even stronger given 3rd player. Hope this helps.
Another good video Frankie! The charts are pretty eye opening.
The thing I struggle with when facing a 3.5x open is that some players are using multiple bet sizes, and I suspect that 3.5x opens are a way stronger range than other sizes. If someone is opening 3.5x always I will apply the concepts of the video and play way more 3betting instead of calling. But against someone with mixed open sizes, or a new player at the table, I am somewhat torn as to what to do. Calling is obviously lower in EV given the terrible pot odds and difficulty realising equity, but 3betting against a strong range with more of our middling hands seems like a terrible choice too. I tend to call a lot in these situations hoping to recoup the EV postflop against a weaker player, but then end up playing passively postflop, not wanting to be aggressive against a strong range, and under realise my equity a lot.
Thanks matlittle, appreciate it!
So if you suspect your opponent has a very strong 3.5x OR, we actually have even less incentive to call given our EQr goes down even further as IP postflop leverage increases. I would 3bet a even tighter linear range in this case and fold much more. Just because someone's OR range is strong (unless its extreme like KK+) doesn't mean we can't 3bet.
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The chart for this spot says vs 2.2x raise the BB is calling 15%, raising 40% and folding 45%, but in your sim the sizings are 10.5>23 which is ~2.2x but the BB is calling 35%, raising 27% and folding 39%. Which open sizing and 3bet sizing did you use to make the charts? I think that makes quite a difference to how both players react, as the amount of money in the pot can be quite different if its something like 3x open, 13bb 3bet.
Sorry this is confusing. The sim your mentioning was more for understanding a deviation to a improper 3bet range. The 3bet size was slightly smaller overall vs the one seen more in game and the one I used for the charts.
Excellent, well done video!
Thanks very much Sound!
I don't really like this video. My opponents know preflop is solved and play the ranges perfectly.
Cheers Frankie
Lol!!!
Great insight Frankie, I really appreciated hearing your thoughts and how this is used in-game. You mentioned a couple of times about how "everyone has their charts" or something like that and referring to preflop charts.
Noob question probably, but where would I find legitimate charts for say, 100NL?
Thank you!
Thank you! There's many options really. Dedicated sites to preflop, there's the pre solved guys like GTO Wiz, can always ping someone on discord to run some. Pricing is all over the place so not sure on best recommendation.
damn...After studying solves for years now, I feel the need to really reset all my post flop-stuff back to Preflop: These diagrams are really eye-opening!
Thanks Frankie...
This was a very informative video. This is at 100 BBs right?
Do you think the pattern would be as sensitive to the small changes in sizes if we were as deep as 200BBs or more?
Hi, glad it was. Yes. Good question, no it would not since EQr would be uniformly going up across the range.
the affection of villian's raising size is really unimaginable, I never though the difference was so huge even if it's just 1bb bigger, thx for sharing!
Another awesome video man,thanks!
if youre playing low enough stakes, especially something like Global or Ignition etc with anon - couldnt you just exploit the pool by raising 2x when you want raises/calls and raise 3x when your frequency to 3bets will always be a fold? I just dont think even 10% of the regs at lets say 50NL and below are going to adjust to this? Thoughts? Frankie Carson
This almost sounds like the opposite of what you'd want to do. Raising 3x entices more raising vs calling from Vs. This 3x strategy you outlined will likely lose a lot of money especially at low stakes where more VPIP pre is common. Your also under estimating, to a degree, your opponents ability to pick up of this bifurcated OR preflop strategy. Short answer, I would not recommend this.
I'm quite late to the party here, but this was a fantastic video with tons of immediately applicable information. I'm still grinding microstakes and I see 4x 3 bets multiple times, every single session. BTNs 3-betting to 10bb is not entirely uncommon against a 2.5x open from earlier positions. I even see 3-4x 4 bets at least once or twice per session, too. I've got a much better idea of what to do in these situations now. Thanks!
Glad you got a lot of it Orca! Because this is a pure theory video, it should continue to be very much applicable for years to come.
Hey Frankie! Great video here man
Couldn’t agree more with your pre flop analysis. If we don’t have pre flop studied and planned out, the rest of your game will be broken. The whole tree starts with pre flop.
Something I sometimes have hard time adjusting too. Is I generally play a lot online, 6 max … when playing live cash if it’s 1/3 or 2/5 I tighten up my range a lot given the specific game I’m playing. Like I’m folding specific hands live I’m opening all day in 6 max just given the dynamics and specific game I’m playing.
6 max online I’ve messed around with a few different opening sizes
2x from ep and hj, 2.2 from co and 2.5 from button and 3x from sb
Now what im doing is 2.4 x from every position and 3x from sb
Thanks True!
Great graph here. Kind of staggering how much our calling frequency goes down here vs the 2.5x and the 4x open… just losing money. Even though we see recs 4x or 5x with some really weird hands.
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