Exploiting Donk Betting
Posted by Frankie Carson
Video Player is loading.
This is a modal window.
The media could not be loaded, either because the server or network failed or because the format is not supported.
Resume Video
Start from Beginning
Watch Video
10
Loading 17 Comments...
Very interesting topic.
1) They overcall vs those as well. Maybe your pool has different tendencies. But be carefully basing off the anecdotal.
2) Would you be interested in a donking specific vid? I thought about doing this.
3) Yes it does but rarely on flop and still not very often on turn. More of a river event. It’s a rarity though and you can simplify your game by never donking large.
4) Much less so. It’s severely underbluffed from regs. Recs bluff more but more balanced especially on larger sizing.
yes i would
Nice video. Adding in examples was helpful.
I certainly don't donk enough. I have found that I have greater success with the xr. It just seems when I donk it doesn't create fold eq with my bluffs and it puts me into tougher spots on future streets.
Thanks SoundSpeed. Would you be interested in a donking specific vid?
If that is the case in your pool, simply donk with only value to exploit their overcalling. However, I would be careful implementing this unless you are sure they are. One thing to understand is IP should defend fairly wide at GTO.
I have not fully removed the node from my strategy but I definitely limit it. The spot where I find far more donks is on the turn. I find that to be far more powerful amd effective. I think a turn donk video would be great to see.
Yeah I totally agree - turn donk is very powerful for me but sometimes I played it based on "feeling" - would be great to have some guideline and data :)
Hey Frankie - cool 2nd video. The topic is unique enough that I think I'll re-watch again sometime in the future :P
I think the countering part is certainly very interesting and worth a (or some) video(s) alone. Often we face donks from the recs and those are none-GTO lines where we can't find "the correct play" by ourselves. Would be great if you can shed lights on those spots from an very explo angle and talk through the thought process & highest EV play in your opinion. :)
Keep up the good work and cheers!
Thanks so much mx! So in the video I have many examples of recs donking incorrectly and countering. So review those.
Hello Frankie, great video!
Please could you tell me how you found the GTO frequency for donking flop? Do you know the GTO frequency for donking turn and river?
Also, how did you get the data for your stats on donking frequencies for fish and regs? Is it just from your own sample of hands, or do you have a bigger sample of hands sourced elsewhere?
I think it's important to note that stronger hands are over represented in the data than weaker hands, given that they get to showdown more often. This effect is strongest on flop. Were you able to control for this at all? If not, then fish will have even more bluffs or merged hands than your data suggests, so calling down will be even more profitable.
This of course isn't true on sites where you can see hole cards of your opponents in hand histories without the hand actually getting to showdown, i.e. on Ignition.
Thanks matlittle! Good question. I solved 1,755 strategic flops for various sizings to find it. H2N. Nope and your right. The effect is hard to measure but it's worth mentioning by rec having value removes value from opponent which is a partial counter weight to what you mentioned.
great video! you solved the doubt that I usually face.
how do u think about the important of donking strategy? I'm a low stake player and I don't have donking strategy, should I study and use it in my practice, or is it not a priority?
Thank you Xiang! Timing question because I just came out with a donking video :)
You'll be just fine if you don't have one, but I think it helps you understand poker better so maybe down the road it's something you can add to your game. Not as complex as it seems to add.
I'm going to watch it :D thank you!
really interesting graph here, what i find really informative is how infrequently recs are donking vs recs ...for me to donk has to be vs a specific player or spot where my opponent has a tendency to check back some of there range.
live games like 1/3 2/5 seems like the whole pool donks at times lmaooo
LOL these triple barrels so annoying donk vs recs, no need to bluff, just press call and let them go crazy ... however sometimes will find that recs will take this line with better hands although its so spewey it can be difficult to range them. especially flat calling KK pre flop lead lead jam A high board smh
Be the first to add a comment
You must upgrade your account to leave a comment.