How Position Impacts C-Bets (3-Bet Pots Edition)
Posted by Frankie Carson
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Hey Frankie, thanks for covering these position dynamics.
5:30 this to me seems counterintuituve with the wide betting range. I know the math and range composition says to bet so many under pairs, but being oop creates a playability issue. Most opponents won't understand the underlying principles and will call your bet with the same ranges and frequency regardless of positions. I feel like developing a higher check frequency will help whether in sb or bb.
Hey Sound, of course!
So I have a few things to say here. First, as I said in video I didn’t want to get into specific sizing. Just broad takeaways, which I think is generally better for learning. However, an important fine tune detail, to your point, is AK5 is not a b33 or even a b25 type board, we need to go down even further like some less than b20 in order to get a range bet. Part of the reason for this is despite having a large nut advantages (AK,KK, AA) and range advantage, over ½ IP range is immovable Ax or Kx while the other half is near 0 EV hands. In other words, IP range is 1 part inelastic and a 2nd part elastic. Thus a tiny bet works best.
Bigger picture to your question. What your describing is a paradoxical leak. I say paradoxical because you want to x your underpairs because you believe they have poor playability but in reality you checking your underpairs will give them even worse playability since you will severely cap your range. Regs will attack this aggressively.
Great summary of 3bet pots OOP, really good video.
Lots of weaker regs will range cbet way too many of these boards for the block sizing. You mentioned briefly at the end that vs good opponents this will cost them EV. The current exploits I have when IP are:
1. Raise flop more often
2. Float more hands on flop then barrel turn/river very frequently with them. GTOWizard will actually float any 2 cards on some boards given that OOP has to check turn very often then over-fold to any IP turn bet. Do you think this is too extreme an adjustment in real games?
Are there any other exploits to add?
Really appreciate it mattlitte!
You nailed it! I totally agree. I think 1) is more effective then 2) given regs typically will cbet > then what theory will say on turn lowering our EQr of some of our weaker floats on flop. But nonetheless 2) is a nice option too.
Great video Frankie! Already loved the SRP version you did a few months ago and loved to see the follow up for 3bet pots.
Thanks a bunch Eldora!
Great video!
Thank you Sungar!
Great video !
Thank you!
Very interesting and insightful video.
Glad it was helpful Sevens!
Hello, I am new to “run it once” and an intermediate low stakes player. I would say using GTO wizard and not the solver you were using it was difficult to understand what position you were discussing at different times. Switching back and forth quickly made it difficult for me to keep up. If you could explain the color schemes before you start that would be helpful also. You explain things very well and the material is important, I would just get more out of it if what sim/chart were explained at the start of the video. Maybe these were too advanced for me. If so sorry. Thank you
Hey Afalange, welcome to RIO!
Duly noted for next time, sorry about that.
I really enjoy these theory videos that lay out broader concepts without getting too lost in the weeds. When the discussion gets too caught up on specific combos, specific frequencies, or a single, specific texture, it becomes less and less realistic to walk with anything you can easily apply in game. After a video like this, I'm able to immediately boot up a solver trainer, try to apply the general concepts from the video in the training session, and begin learning something that will actually stick (and I can always get lost in the weeds of specific spots on my own, if I really want to).
I'd love to see more stuff like this in the future!
Thanks Orca, this is awesome to hear because it's my exact intentions is for you to be able to apply this stuff realistically vs me rambling about some obscure game tree for a hour. Although, I may not be able to help myself on the latter sometimes :)
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