Have been playing live poker full Time for last 5 years. Legitimately don't understand why/how the difference is made between poker bankroll and liferoll. Maybe online is different than live poker?
For me my bankroll is my net worth + whatever I could possibly borrow. Even though a significant portion of my bankroll/liferoll is in investments, I would certainly use this if needed to continue to play poker. When and why is a distinction made??
A distinction is necessary when you start to have lots of responsibilities, f.ex family, side businesses, expenses, etc. Bankroll is best thought as our business capital, while liferoll is part of our net worth.
If you talk to successful businessmen and company owners you will see that they separate their personal net worth from their company net worth -in their case it's even more important, as merging the capital might lead to more legal liabilities in case of problems-.
Merging bankroll and investments is not a great idea -I'm not considering saving accounts as investments, I'm talking about stocks/bonds/real estate/anything that doesn't offer 100% guarantee of withdrawing our capital whenever we wish-, as if things go bad you might be forced to sell investments at a loss and in general risk whatever you managed to save for retirement.
Black swans unfortunately happen, I've seen very successful and winning players endure 50+ buy in swings, and if you merge bankroll and liferoll this will put a huge weight on your shoulders. I think it might even be better to ask for staking (if you manage to get a good deal) if things go particularly bad, instead of jeopardizing our own net worth.
The main difference from live and online poker is just that you also need to account for expenses in your live bankroll, but I assume bb100 are higher, therefore you will endure smaller swings.
The goal of poker seems to be to take other peoples money. I always wonder how professional players get personal satisfaction from that. Is that why some also start to coach? What believe system have worked for you?
Very cynical comment. I am not saying anything about stealing. With stealing, you take something from somebody. This somebody is not aware of it and for sure does not approve you taking his/her stuff. That is not comparable with poker. And I refuse to engage in putting me in that framework of thinking. However, with poker, the goal is to take other peoples money. So my question is real. Do professional poker players forget about the money? Does it become a purely intellectual challenge? Does it become a mental challenge? Same goes for stock brokers. I am very interested in what frame of mind / believe system a professional poker player operates.
My core values are growth, knowledge and sharing. Poker has helped me to grow both personally and financially and guaranteed me plenty of free time to enjoy time with my family, my friends and my hobbies. I enjoy coaching because I can give back to society something of what helped me to get where I am today.
"The goal of poker seems to be to take other peoples money" - this can be said about 80% of jobs, as most of them today only answer to (or create) fictional and unnecessary needs. Most jobs are not necessary, there's plenty of wealth and resources -just poor distribution- for everyone, we do whatever we do to adjust to the system we live in, without being in conflict with our personal values.
Francesco Lacriola Do you think a better economic system is possible? We, as humans, have accomplished extraordinary things. It seems crazy to me that we still need to work and produce uselss things in order to live.
My core values are growth, knowledge and sharing. Poker has helped me
to grow both personally and financially and guaranteed me plenty of
free time to enjoy time with my family, my friends and my hobbies. I
enjoy coaching because I can give back to society something of what
helped me to get where I am today.
yah that's what I thought actually. It seems like a lot of great players also turn into coaches at some point. And yes, also def. true that 80% is for the money when it comes to jobs, maybe that's even on the low side :)
Trinity it is possible, but unfortunately it's way beyond our control. I find the best approach is just to live in a way that doesn't clash with our core values and focus on improving our own life and the lives of people we love/care about.
Let's assume I have 24k liferoll on my bank account (2 years of 2k spending per month) and 10k bankroll. I had a month where I won 2k. I plan on moving up the stakes. Do I take the money to pay for my expenses from my liferoll and the 2k goes towards growing bankroll?
I really like the concept of splitting the two, but how to actually MANAGE it is a mystery. Please help.
You can be flexible, without thinking in terms of absolute thresholds. F.ex in your case you could try to cash out 1k and leave 1k to grow your roll. Keep in mind that you don't know what your winrate at the higher stake will be, so there's a risk involved in levelling up.
If you AVG 2k which can only cover expenses, it might make sense to try to increase your winrate, or to try to get staked for the higher level (if you get a good deal), if you expect to make more money than what you would make at the current stake, and close the staking deal once you have enough bankroll to play the higher stake.
Hi Francesco, thanks for the video.
U say at one part that not taking shots at good games is one mistake.
What types of BR management when you have your expenses covered do you reccomend? Or what types of shots.
I'm playing with 100 buy ins online and 50 live when I see I'm beating the games for move up. Do u think this is too much conservative if my goal is to go up to higher stakes?
Hi, 100 buy ins online is on the conservative side, but I think it depends a lot on your personality (how comfortable would you feel if the shot doesn't go well?) and on the stake difference. For example, between 50 and 100 NL there's not usually a huge difference, however there might be between 200 and 500 NL, as higher games might run seldomly in some player pools, therefore you can have stronger players forced to play 500 NL if they don't have an action.
Thank you very much.
I'm gonna take your advice about personality and not touch the rules for the moment. If at some moment I have more money incomes I'm gonna take more aggressive side.
I very often remind myself of a quote I've seen somewhere to stay balanced in life/work:
"You don't live your life to play poker, you play poker to live your life"
Thank you for the video! I can definitely see myself make some of the mistakes your mention from time to time unconsciously and it just came back at me. Was realizing some bad habits when watching and thinking through the video. Very helpful! Appreciate it.
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Excellent advice. This was a very well thought out video. Thanks!
Have been playing live poker full Time for last 5 years. Legitimately don't understand why/how the difference is made between poker bankroll and liferoll. Maybe online is different than live poker?
For me my bankroll is my net worth + whatever I could possibly borrow. Even though a significant portion of my bankroll/liferoll is in investments, I would certainly use this if needed to continue to play poker. When and why is a distinction made??
A distinction is necessary when you start to have lots of responsibilities, f.ex family, side businesses, expenses, etc. Bankroll is best thought as our business capital, while liferoll is part of our net worth.
If you talk to successful businessmen and company owners you will see that they separate their personal net worth from their company net worth -in their case it's even more important, as merging the capital might lead to more legal liabilities in case of problems-.
Merging bankroll and investments is not a great idea -I'm not considering saving accounts as investments, I'm talking about stocks/bonds/real estate/anything that doesn't offer 100% guarantee of withdrawing our capital whenever we wish-, as if things go bad you might be forced to sell investments at a loss and in general risk whatever you managed to save for retirement.
Black swans unfortunately happen, I've seen very successful and winning players endure 50+ buy in swings, and if you merge bankroll and liferoll this will put a huge weight on your shoulders. I think it might even be better to ask for staking (if you manage to get a good deal) if things go particularly bad, instead of jeopardizing our own net worth.
The main difference from live and online poker is just that you also need to account for expenses in your live bankroll, but I assume bb100 are higher, therefore you will endure smaller swings.
The goal of poker seems to be to take other peoples money. I always wonder how professional players get personal satisfaction from that. Is that why some also start to coach? What believe system have worked for you?
yeah, like stealing; we are such mean people !
/s
Very cynical comment. I am not saying anything about stealing. With stealing, you take something from somebody. This somebody is not aware of it and for sure does not approve you taking his/her stuff. That is not comparable with poker. And I refuse to engage in putting me in that framework of thinking. However, with poker, the goal is to take other peoples money. So my question is real. Do professional poker players forget about the money? Does it become a purely intellectual challenge? Does it become a mental challenge? Same goes for stock brokers. I am very interested in what frame of mind / believe system a professional poker player operates.
My core values are growth, knowledge and sharing. Poker has helped me to grow both personally and financially and guaranteed me plenty of free time to enjoy time with my family, my friends and my hobbies. I enjoy coaching because I can give back to society something of what helped me to get where I am today.
"The goal of poker seems to be to take other peoples money" - this can be said about 80% of jobs, as most of them today only answer to (or create) fictional and unnecessary needs. Most jobs are not necessary, there's plenty of wealth and resources -just poor distribution- for everyone, we do whatever we do to adjust to the system we live in, without being in conflict with our personal values.
Francesco Lacriola Do you think a better economic system is possible? We, as humans, have accomplished extraordinary things. It seems crazy to me that we still need to work and produce uselss things in order to live.
yah that's what I thought actually. It seems like a lot of great players also turn into coaches at some point. And yes, also def. true that 80% is for the money when it comes to jobs, maybe that's even on the low side :)
Well done, thanks
Trinity it is possible, but unfortunately it's way beyond our control. I find the best approach is just to live in a way that doesn't clash with our core values and focus on improving our own life and the lives of people we love/care about.
A capitalistic system might not be perfect but it’s the most optimal system we have and so we also sell our skill… :)
Thanks for sharing your core values.
I've always tried to cultivate kindness at the live tables. The challenge is maintaining it while associating with this player type.
Thanks again, and best wishes all!
Hey, I have a question!
How to actually distinguish from two rolls?
Let's assume I have 24k liferoll on my bank account (2 years of 2k spending per month) and 10k bankroll. I had a month where I won 2k. I plan on moving up the stakes. Do I take the money to pay for my expenses from my liferoll and the 2k goes towards growing bankroll?
I really like the concept of splitting the two, but how to actually MANAGE it is a mystery. Please help.
You can be flexible, without thinking in terms of absolute thresholds. F.ex in your case you could try to cash out 1k and leave 1k to grow your roll. Keep in mind that you don't know what your winrate at the higher stake will be, so there's a risk involved in levelling up.
If you AVG 2k which can only cover expenses, it might make sense to try to increase your winrate, or to try to get staked for the higher level (if you get a good deal), if you expect to make more money than what you would make at the current stake, and close the staking deal once you have enough bankroll to play the higher stake.
Hi Francesco, thanks for the video.
U say at one part that not taking shots at good games is one mistake.
What types of BR management when you have your expenses covered do you reccomend? Or what types of shots.
I'm playing with 100 buy ins online and 50 live when I see I'm beating the games for move up. Do u think this is too much conservative if my goal is to go up to higher stakes?
Thank you very much.
Hi, 100 buy ins online is on the conservative side, but I think it depends a lot on your personality (how comfortable would you feel if the shot doesn't go well?) and on the stake difference. For example, between 50 and 100 NL there's not usually a huge difference, however there might be between 200 and 500 NL, as higher games might run seldomly in some player pools, therefore you can have stronger players forced to play 500 NL if they don't have an action.
Thank you very much.
I'm gonna take your advice about personality and not touch the rules for the moment. If at some moment I have more money incomes I'm gonna take more aggressive side.
Deserve you good things men.
I very often remind myself of a quote I've seen somewhere to stay balanced in life/work:
"You don't live your life to play poker, you play poker to live your life"
Thank you for the video! I can definitely see myself make some of the mistakes your mention from time to time unconsciously and it just came back at me. Was realizing some bad habits when watching and thinking through the video. Very helpful! Appreciate it.
Love both your theoretical and mental game content Francesco Lacriola !
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