About the hand that you analyzed on the replayer around min 9, I have some questions
1.- You said that you think a better play from the opponent would be to make a small cbet, but at the same time this board doesn't conect much with his range, so he would have to cbet/fold many hands; don't you think that in his shoes would be better to check/call flop? There are many cards that improves his hand on the turn (any 7, 9, T, J, Q, K, A, heart and spade) and in those cards he could let you potentially bluff again and check/call.
2.- In opponent shoes, if you make a small cbet, what would be the bottom of your range that you would cbet/call vs an aggressive player on that board?
3.- In that spot (SB vs BB), what do you think about 4betting from SB low and medium double suited rundowns for board coverage and balance reasons?
Hey, thanks! Sorry for such a delayed response.
1./3. I often do 4bet some of the middling rundowns for the reasons you mentioned, particularly against opponents who are giving too much credit/over-folding flops. As a result of this, I can credibly attack these boards more than someone who is totally unbalanced.
I think in this spot our opponents 4bet is fine and good given how often/light I’ll be 3betting from this position. I agree though that c/c is probably the way to go with his specific hand, especially against an aggro opponent. He has some nut outs and very strong backdoors; he might often get to realise his equity/bluff rivers with these against opponents who are stabbing but not continuing.
One thing I think I failed to mention in-game was about my sizing. I bet just over 20 into 52. When checked to in this sort of spot, I’ll be betting lockdown boards often and for quite a small sizing, in an attempt to get value/induce when I have hands and bluff cheaply. In this hand, if my $20 bet was called, there would be $92 in the middle and $90 in stacks so I could put him in lots of gross spots on the turn, which is likely one of the reasons why he jammed in an attempt to avoid being put to a tough decision. On the face of it, it doesn’t look like there is much playability and so betting small handcuffs him as much as betting pot would, but is cheaper for us when we have a 0 equity hand that wants to stab/fold. I guess psychologically, people feel less stupid being the aggressor and jamming bad rather than calling off and being wrong.
2.Against an aggro opponent, I’ll likely check most lockdown boards OOP to them with the majority of my hands and take away a lot of their ability to apply pressure. Every card in PLO has a significant impact though so to give you a break down of hands I would bet/call is quite tough, e.g. dry bottom two pair, in comparison to two pair with 1 blocker, 2 blockers, 1 backdoor flush draw etc. all makes a big difference!
As I made this video quite a while ago, my view on spots like this has probably changed quite a lot! It’s likely I was going with that small c-bet strategy and at the time it was working but since was being exploited and I had to adjust.
Can I say i think your plo live sessions are some of the best ive seen !!
At the 37 minute mark theres a great hand with "the regular" where you both check turn when brd pairs and he chq rr pot on the river. I agree no chance he has the nut flush , so its either a boat or bluff. Noted you have the four, checked back the turn etc, but ....
(a)If he continued on the turn and then check rr pot on river would you still call off ?? and
(b)How big a factor in calling because your opponent is a good aggresive reg ?? and
(c) any other info you can provide that made you call and not fold
All the best from down under and keep up the awesome work !! especially more live low stakes 4 tabling PLO
Hey,
Thanks man, given the standard of content on here that is quite a compliment!
I had forgotten about that hand until I went back now and had a look, pretty interesting spot.
a) If he barrelled turn, I'm not sure if I would bet the river, not for value anyway. If I was betting there, it would be on the larger side and targeting almost exclusively nut flushes; I would just flat flop with a set and then likely flat again when I boated up so it would be a credible bluff line to take. However, I think Q high flush is probably too strong a hand to be turning into a bluff there, just seems kind of pointless given how much showdown value we have. I'm not sure what worse could call or how often our opponent would fold better flushes.
As the turn checked through though, I felt like our opponents' range was capped at NF; I think it would be best to just empty the clip with a boat, especially one with no blockers as they could get 3 streets from the NF, or potentially hero called by some slightly weaker hands like mine. When the river was checked, I was pretty confident I had the best hand as I would expect better hands to want to get 2 streets.
b) It definitely factors in; knowing someone is capable of making moves with blockers and taking creative lines makes it more tough, but more fun! Just breaking the hand down though, thinking about ranges, his line and what he's trying to represent is the best way to piece everything together. I like to have more history with people before going for more of a "soul-read". Just thinking 'this guy is aggressive, he's probably bluffing, call' usually doesn't end well!
c) My sizing on the river was definitely another contributing factor, I bet around half pot to try and eek out some value from a few worse flushes he could potentially have. This sizing kind of looks like what it is (thin-ish value) and so I was preparing for a raise as it was somewhat inducing, knowing that the opponent was a thinking, aggro player. The general board texture as well is another factor. Our opponent 3bets against my btn open; I think that this can be done kinda wide given how often I will be stealing, however given that he's going to be OOP 150bbs deep, he still needs to have somewhat of a legit hand. With 3 diamonds out there and 2 in my hand there aren't a ton of better flush combos he can have. Likewise, on J8449, it's unlikely he has too many boat combos. I still have a ton of hand combos however; given how deep we are, anything I'm opening I'm peeling to a 3bet. I'll float monotone flops pretty light sometimes to bluff future streets and if an opponent is aware of that they can attack, especially with relevant blockers like the J.
Cheers! My initial plan was to do some session reviews, but my old laptop I used for grinding finally died on me, wiping all the recordings I had along with it, so I might squeeze in a few more live session before doing another live session to catch up
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Hi Jack, nice work!
About the hand that you analyzed on the replayer around min 9, I have some questions
1.- You said that you think a better play from the opponent would be to make a small cbet, but at the same time this board doesn't conect much with his range, so he would have to cbet/fold many hands; don't you think that in his shoes would be better to check/call flop? There are many cards that improves his hand on the turn (any 7, 9, T, J, Q, K, A, heart and spade) and in those cards he could let you potentially bluff again and check/call.
2.- In opponent shoes, if you make a small cbet, what would be the bottom of your range that you would cbet/call vs an aggressive player on that board?
3.- In that spot (SB vs BB), what do you think about 4betting from SB low and medium double suited rundowns for board coverage and balance reasons?
Thanks and regards!
Hey, thanks! Sorry for such a delayed response.
1./3. I often do 4bet some of the middling rundowns for the reasons you mentioned, particularly against opponents who are giving too much credit/over-folding flops. As a result of this, I can credibly attack these boards more than someone who is totally unbalanced.
I think in this spot our opponents 4bet is fine and good given how often/light I’ll be 3betting from this position. I agree though that c/c is probably the way to go with his specific hand, especially against an aggro opponent. He has some nut outs and very strong backdoors; he might often get to realise his equity/bluff rivers with these against opponents who are stabbing but not continuing.
One thing I think I failed to mention in-game was about my sizing. I bet just over 20 into 52. When checked to in this sort of spot, I’ll be betting lockdown boards often and for quite a small sizing, in an attempt to get value/induce when I have hands and bluff cheaply. In this hand, if my $20 bet was called, there would be $92 in the middle and $90 in stacks so I could put him in lots of gross spots on the turn, which is likely one of the reasons why he jammed in an attempt to avoid being put to a tough decision. On the face of it, it doesn’t look like there is much playability and so betting small handcuffs him as much as betting pot would, but is cheaper for us when we have a 0 equity hand that wants to stab/fold. I guess psychologically, people feel less stupid being the aggressor and jamming bad rather than calling off and being wrong.
2.Against an aggro opponent, I’ll likely check most lockdown boards OOP to them with the majority of my hands and take away a lot of their ability to apply pressure. Every card in PLO has a significant impact though so to give you a break down of hands I would bet/call is quite tough, e.g. dry bottom two pair, in comparison to two pair with 1 blocker, 2 blockers, 1 backdoor flush draw etc. all makes a big difference!
As I made this video quite a while ago, my view on spots like this has probably changed quite a lot! It’s likely I was going with that small c-bet strategy and at the time it was working but since was being exploited and I had to adjust.
Hi Jack
Can I say i think your plo live sessions are some of the best ive seen !!
At the 37 minute mark theres a great hand with "the regular" where you both check turn when brd pairs and he chq rr pot on the river. I agree no chance he has the nut flush , so its either a boat or bluff. Noted you have the four, checked back the turn etc, but ....
(a)If he continued on the turn and then check rr pot on river would you still call off ?? and
(b)How big a factor in calling because your opponent is a good aggresive reg ?? and
(c) any other info you can provide that made you call and not fold
All the best from down under and keep up the awesome work !! especially more live low stakes 4 tabling PLO
Hey,
Thanks man, given the standard of content on here that is quite a compliment!
I had forgotten about that hand until I went back now and had a look, pretty interesting spot.
a) If he barrelled turn, I'm not sure if I would bet the river, not for value anyway. If I was betting there, it would be on the larger side and targeting almost exclusively nut flushes; I would just flat flop with a set and then likely flat again when I boated up so it would be a credible bluff line to take. However, I think Q high flush is probably too strong a hand to be turning into a bluff there, just seems kind of pointless given how much showdown value we have. I'm not sure what worse could call or how often our opponent would fold better flushes.
As the turn checked through though, I felt like our opponents' range was capped at NF; I think it would be best to just empty the clip with a boat, especially one with no blockers as they could get 3 streets from the NF, or potentially hero called by some slightly weaker hands like mine. When the river was checked, I was pretty confident I had the best hand as I would expect better hands to want to get 2 streets.
b) It definitely factors in; knowing someone is capable of making moves with blockers and taking creative lines makes it more tough, but more fun! Just breaking the hand down though, thinking about ranges, his line and what he's trying to represent is the best way to piece everything together. I like to have more history with people before going for more of a "soul-read". Just thinking 'this guy is aggressive, he's probably bluffing, call' usually doesn't end well!
c) My sizing on the river was definitely another contributing factor, I bet around half pot to try and eek out some value from a few worse flushes he could potentially have. This sizing kind of looks like what it is (thin-ish value) and so I was preparing for a raise as it was somewhat inducing, knowing that the opponent was a thinking, aggro player. The general board texture as well is another factor. Our opponent 3bets against my btn open; I think that this can be done kinda wide given how often I will be stealing, however given that he's going to be OOP 150bbs deep, he still needs to have somewhat of a legit hand. With 3 diamonds out there and 2 in my hand there aren't a ton of better flush combos he can have. Likewise, on J8449, it's unlikely he has too many boat combos. I still have a ton of hand combos however; given how deep we are, anything I'm opening I'm peeling to a 3bet. I'll float monotone flops pretty light sometimes to bluff future streets and if an opponent is aware of that they can attack, especially with relevant blockers like the J.
Cheers! My initial plan was to do some session reviews, but my old laptop I used for grinding finally died on me, wiping all the recordings I had along with it, so I might squeeze in a few more live session before doing another live session to catch up
Hi Jack, tanks for your replies!!. You wrote a lot of usefull information to study, assimilate and analize my own game, I really enjoyed reading that.
Thx for taking the time to put such a great reply to paper Jack. Mate keep it up and i hope to meet ya on the virtual felt one of these days soon :)
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